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Old 08-28-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: London
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You may have a good point, but that would go to how these boys are being raised at home. In the meanwhile, what is the school supposed to do? Allow a major distraction to continue when there's an easy fix to it

Also, fundamentally, I'm not sure I disagree with the reasoning. If an outfit is inappropriate and reveals body parts that should remain private in a school setting, it may very well be perfectly reasonable for people to be distracted by it.
You may as well tell kids to stop dressing like nerds to avoid the wrath of bullies because the bullies aren't raised well at home.

Or tell them to give the bully their lunch money without complaint.

Accommodating bullies and misbehavior is definitely what kids should be taught.
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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All this nonsense could be stopped by requiring a uniform or dress code.
I have said that for years
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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You may have a good point, but that would go to how these boys are being raised at home. In the meanwhile, what is the school supposed to do? Allow a major distraction to continue when there's an easy fix to it

Also, fundamentally, I'm not sure I disagree with the reasoning. If an outfit is inappropriate and reveals body parts that should remain private in a school setting, it may very well be perfectly reasonable for people to be distracted by it. The same would (or should) go for boys who wore something similar.

Kids get distracted by all kinds of things including windows looking outside. Should we ban windows in classrooms too?

I don't personally care whether tank tops are allowed - that's up to the school as long as it's enforced equally across gender lines. I'm not seeing any "body parts that should remain private". Are you seriously implying shoulders are private body parts?
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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It is definitely an issue that burns my hide. My daughter's clothing and body are not responsible for boys' attention or lack thereof in school.
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Kids get distracted by all kinds of things including windows looking outside. Should we ban windows in classrooms too?

I don't personally care whether tank tops are allowed - that's up to the school - but I'm not seeing any "body parts that should remain private".
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You may as well tell kids to stop dressing like nerds to avoid the wrath of bullies because the bullies aren't raised well at home.

Or tell them to give the bully their lunch money without complaint.

Accommodating bullies and misbehavior is definitely what kids should be taught.
In our society there are certain norms and expectations. There is not and never has been an expectation that school windows be sealed (with a curtain or whatever) because a few may be distracted by looking outside as an example. Likewise, bullying behavior has always been frowned upon and we've never asked or expected a person to change their own otherwise normal and nonimposing behavior to suit bullies.

On the other hand, we have long expected certain attire to be worn (or not worn) in school settings (this extends to non school settings, too, but that is changing). The move by the school conforms to our societal norms and expectations; its the push back by some on the school's request that run contrary to the norms, IMO.
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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You may have a good point, but that would go to how these boys are being raised at home. In the meanwhile, what is the school supposed to do? Allow a major distraction to continue when there's an easy fix to it

Also, fundamentally, I'm not sure I disagree with the reasoning. If an outfit is inappropriate and reveals body parts that should remain private in a school setting, it may very well be perfectly reasonable for people to be distracted by it. The same would (or should) go for boys who wore something similar.
If the school believes tank tops are “distracting”, they should ban tank tops for all students via the dress code. That’s an appropriate reaction while their message that girls who wear them are to blame for distracting boys is not.
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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If the school believes tank tops are “distracting”, they should ban tank tops for all students. That’s an appropriate reaction while their message that girls who wear them are to blame for distracting boys is not.
I agree. Perhaps, they do, though, already

And if they do ban them for all students (or students past a certain age), then I still have no problem with the explanation as the explanation could be used for boys wearing tank tops, too.
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Yes, but in our society there are certain norms and expectations.
Yes, and school is a good time for kids to learn self control is their responsibility. The expectation is that they alone are responsible for their actions - what someone else does (or wears) isn't an excuse.
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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In our society there are certain norms and expectations. There is not and never has been an expectation that school windows be sealed (with a curtain or whatever) because a few may be distracted by looking outside as an example. Likewise, bullying behavior has always been frowned upon and we've never asked or expected a person to change their own otherwise normal and nonimposing behavior to suit bullies.

On the other hand, we have long expected certain attire to be worn (or not worn) in school settings (this extends to non school settings, too, but that is changing). The move by the school conforms to our societal norms and expectations; its the push back by some on the school's request that run contrary to the norms, IMO.
So it’s your claim that the school blaming a girl’s attire for distracting boys is a societal norm and expectation? And that the school was just confirming to that norm by requesting she not wear tank tops?

No one is arguing that tank tops should have to be allowed by the school. Ban them. For girls and boys if you consider them distracting, but STOP blaming girls attire for boys distracted behavior. If that a societal norm, it’s one we can do without.
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