Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Shaming people is and people should be ashamed for doing it.
To you it's shaming.
To us merely being vocal about where our tax dollars are spent isn't shaming.
That you decided to refer to that as shaming doesn't make you correct.
But even if we agreed that it is shaming, shaming in and of itself isn't wrong. For one example, shaming the act of murdering people with the motivation of trying to prevent murders isn't wrong.
So being a taxpayer of $1 puts someone in a higher class, eh ? (2mares only point was Taxpayer vs. Non-Taxpayer....not class).
Quote:
Unless some one comes to you and says, 'I need your help', it is no ones business what is going on in their life ... they are free to choose, same as you, no matter who or what your citizenship class status is ...
pretending you are to rule over their lives, is wrong.
No, it's not wrong.
Taking from the public trough gives taxpayers every right to critique the recipients.
And, if you actually took the time to LOOK at the list, instead of juts going over and over the quantity, you would see that the DISTRIBUTION isn’t equal. Some states that are huge geographically may have one page (or less) of clinics. If you live in a small town in ND or MT, it might take you a few hours to get to a clinic. How is that a feasible option. Many European countries have comprehensive options that are accessible. The fact that there are hundreds of clinics in CA isn’t going to help you if you live in a rural town in Alaska.
Neither is the distribution of Planned Parenthood. And at only 455 Title X facilities, nationwide, they're FAR more rare than the thousands of public and private Title X Family Planning Clinics.
Every woman in the US has to consider those odds. PP locations: 445. Other Title X Family Planning Clinics: thousands of locations.
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
26,700 posts, read 41,718,665 times
Reputation: 41376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
If a person waits until they can afford them, they will never have them. Life is not perfect, waiting for perfection in marriage and children ... the person is going to be waiting a very very long time.
We are people, not money, I wish people would stop acting as if we were ...
It takes money and stability to raise a child properly. Waiting until you are in a reasonable place with both is not “perfection.”
In some states - the woman is NOT allowed to put the man's name on the birth certificate unless he is physically present.
That said - let's get these kids educated because SOMEONE has to pay for my Medicare.
It isn't going to happen with the current state of the US public school system. By 12th grade, less than half of students are even grade-level proficient in reading and math. And when that's further broken down by race/ethnicity, those most likely to be poor have the worst results, keeping them poor in perpetuity. Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above, by race/ethnicity group:
BTW, it isn't a funding issue. Many school districts (e.g., Camden, NJ, Washington, DC, etc.) spend $20,000+ per student per year and still yield abysmal results.
That's what I'm trying to tell you all. The exponential over-breeding of the welfare-dependent class (women on public assistance have a three times higher birth rate than those who don't receive such benefits) is not sustainable.
Agree. And again, all discussion has been aimed at poor women, never at poor men who are equally responsible for their behavior and should be held equally accountable for the outcome.
I have made exactly that point. IL Republicans tried that: They introduced a bill requiring that the father had to be named on birth certificate or mother and child were ineligible for public assistance benefits. The Dems wanted NO part of that and completely shut it down.
It's a numbers game ... as that is how the government set up the system ... the next generation is paying for the last generations retirement. No kids means the system will bankrupt ... odds are, the more births (people) have the greater the possibility for funding.
False. When an exponentially increasing population is welfare-dependent and not only doesn't contribute by paying federal income and payroll tax but further reduces resources by drawing welfare benefits, that's LESS tax revenue available to fund the next generation's retirement. It's simple math. HOW do you not understand that?
Or instead of forcing invasive medical procedures, which could have adverse effects on some women, and monitoring them throughout their reproductive years and I assume come up with some sort of consequences for an additional pregnancy (forced abortion like China, or incarceration?) we could make birth control available and affordable to all men and women including sterilizations and abortions, ramp up sex ed in schools and stop paying, via taxes, for pregnancies and births and child expenses. I'm not saying do away with all government assistance but if one has to worry and figure out how they are going to pay for it they are way less likely to have a child than they would be if they knew all their expenses would be taken care of by the government.
I don't think any right leaning people want to 'do away with all government assistance' and it's disingenuous for you to say that. They just want personal accountability.
I have been broker than broke in my life but alway figured out a way to not get pregnant.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
So being a taxpayer of $1 puts someone in a higher class, eh ? (2mares only point was Taxpayer vs. Non-Taxpayer....not class).
