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Old 08-30-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Medicare for all would cover more than what Medicare currently does. Of course we can do what the rest of the developed world figured out a century ago.


oh, and how do you know this...did Uncle Bernie tell you so


Medicare 4 all is medicare, just not for seniors, but for all...otherwise they would not call it medicare...it might be called Medicaid for all


medicare does not cover everything...1000's of denials of service "sorry medicare does not cover that"...such as nursing homes (nearly a trillion dollar cost annually as it is )


medicare does not cover vertebrae disc replacement.....10's of millions with back pain yet medicare wont cover it


medicare right now costs (in the budget) 800 billion to cover 45 million people...that works out to 17k per person (yes that is the more costly seniors, yet Medicare denies service for a lot of things)


17k per person and to cover 330 million people...5.6 trillion ANNUALLY...and that is for the 80/20 coverage that medicare currently gives..with all its denials....




if M4A had higher coverage, LIKE YOU SAY...the cost to cover all 330 million people could easily be well over 7 trillion annually
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Old 08-30-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Could be one of those average vs median things.

A typical family of 4 is $28K because typical families of 4 don't have the high medical risks and costs in all 4 of their members.

For instance the 2 kids may be very low in annual HC costs. 2 healthy adults not so much either.

My wife has cost over $5M since 1/1/17. Not many families have to endure that!
1 in 5 kids today ha dyslexia....


of my 4 kids at home...all 4 have learning disabilities...that the school likes to say "that is not scholastic, its medical"
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Old 08-30-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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oh, and how do you know this...did Uncle Bernie tell you so


Medicare 4 all is medicare, just not for seniors, but for all...otherwise they would not call it medicare...it might be called Medicaid for all


medicare does not cover everything...1000's of denials of service "sorry medicare does not cover that"...such as nursing homes (nearly a trillion dollar cost annually as it is )


medicare does not cover vertebrae disc replacement.....10's of millions with back pain yet medicare wont cover it


medicare right now costs (in the budget) 800 billion to cover 45 million people...that works out to 17k per person (yes that is the more costly seniors, yet Medicare denies service for a lot of things)


17k per person and to cover 330 million people...5.6 trillion ANNUALLY...and that is for the 80/20 coverage that medicare currently gives..with all its denials....




if M4A had higher coverage, LIKE YOU SAY...the cost to cover all 330 million people could easily be well over 7 trillion annually
Keep believing we are so incompetent that a national health care system would cost 4 times as much as any other developed country's health care system. Only the corrupt and the deluded believe that.

Funny how some right wingers believe America can do amazing things, except when it comes to actually providing health care for the people. Then suddenly, the talking point is that its impossible and cant be done.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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What it really comes down to is many/most people simply do not believe that it will cost them less and get them more. What has government ever done that resulted in that? It's a huge gamble and pretty much irreversible since once we wipe out the current healthcare/insurance architecture it would be extremely difficult to restore it.
More than likely we will again move forward towards UHC, but through incrementalism.

Simply lowering Medicare to age 50-55 would be very easy to do and would provide the middle class with the largest break.

Not only would a good portion of our older middle class then enjoy cheap Medicare, much of the age risk would be taken off of the bulk of private HC insurance, lowering their risks and premiums.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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Up to $250 000 per year is middle class.
Bottom range? and source if you have one.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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Bottom range? and source if you have one.
Sanders proposes that income between $132 900 and $250 000 not be subject to any SS payroll taxes, so thats a good indicator of what he believes is middle class, but above $250k it will kick in under the Sanders' SS strengthening legislation.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsr...ocial-security

Bottom range is very different from today as the public safety net would be greatly strengthened if Sanders gets his way and older workers in their 50s and 60s wouldnt have to fear for their life if they lost their job and insurance in a time of rampant age discrimination of older workers.
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Old 08-30-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Keep believing we are so incompetent that a national health care system would cost 4 times as much as any other developed country's health care system. Only the corrupt and the deluded believe that.

Funny how some right wingers believe America can do amazing things, except when it comes to actually providing health care for the people. Then suddenly, the talking point is that its impossible and cant be done.
its not about right wing or left wing


I do believe we can do a lot of amazing things...


I do believe we are a great country


I spent nearly 30 years in the military...we do a lot of amazing things


YET... the VA is pisspoor care...we are really bad at healthcare when the government is involved...including the "payment' for said services
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Old 08-30-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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its not about right wing or left wing


I do believe we can do a lot of amazing things...


I do believe we are a great country


I spent nearly 30 years in the military...we do a lot of amazing things


YET... the VA is pisspoor care...we are really bad at healthcare when the government is involved...including the "payment' for said services
The VA is different than Medicare/Medicaid. The VA is HC gov't owned and delivered. Medicare by and large is not. And we should want to keep any new HC expansion to mainly proceed with its delivery via the private sector.
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Old 08-30-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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I heard that his plan will get rid of Tricare. There are lots of people who will fight that idea.
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Old 08-30-2019, 11:36 AM
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My health plan costs about 26,000 with my employer paying 20,000 leaving me with 6,000 right now, Bernie needs to provide more details.
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