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This whole subject is full of confusion for me. It seems like we're inundated with varying information from that the costs won't go up much to this thing will cost the average tax payer 10k more in taxes. Every time this subject comes up on various cable news shows you've got all of the talking heads saying this and that and there seems to be a lot of noise about just how much this will cost and how great/bad it will be.
I just wished that there was some kind of unbiased economic based study done to give the real costs. It's all over the place and I end up feeling more confused and bewildered about what it really will take to fix the healthcare system because both sides can make some sense at times but there's real cognitive dissonance when you start trying to reconcile things out.
My gut is telling me that unless you curb and cap the illegals into the country and drastically cut military spending that how in the world is this not going to cost the middle class and up a lot more money. Again, my gut isn't a true metric here so what the hell do I know??
If you’re confused, it’s a bad policy. Remember Obamacare....when grandma Pelosi said “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it”. Democrats really don’t put much thought in anything.
We're the richest country in the world and you're saying we cant possibly manage to do what the rest of the world has done, create an affordable health care system that covers everyone?
I dont buy that for one second. We have the most privatized health care system in the world and by far the most expensive. Health care is not like buying a TV. People are at the mercy of the health care providers and price gouging and corruption is rampant when we allow it.
We are also the fattest country in the developed world. No surprise we pay more.
Most companies STOP paying anything for your insurance when you retire and reach 62, and go on Medicare.
Do you think IF bernie's plans goes into affect these companies will CONTINUE paying toward your insurance?
People don’t magically retire at 65.
My husband is 72. He continues to work and is insured by his employer’s healthcare plan. There will be no interruption in coverage when he does retire and fully enrolls in Medicare.
Rather than forfeit Social Security benefits at age 70, he was required to enroll in Medicare Part A- hospitalization. As such, Medicare would be the primary payer in the event of hospitalization with his private employer subsidized plan serving to help pay for that which Medicare does not.
If you’re confused, it’s a bad policy. Remember Obamacare....when grandma Pelosi said “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it”. Democrats really don’t put much thought in anything.
Yeah, my jaw dropped when I heard her say that. Jeezuz these pinheads running things are a joke. Could you imagine private businesses being ran and doing things like the way the government does???
I have a co-worker that loves and wants the government to control and run everything. In the next breath he complains about how bad the DMV is. I'm like you can't have it both ways dude.
Yes, and Obama did NOTHING to contain costs. All it did was shift them more into the middle class.
Example: I just went to the in-network dermatologist because I had two tiny (less than 1/4 inch) rough patches on my shoulder, about 1/2 inch apart. She told me they were nothing, but she could zap them off with a freezing solution that would take a few seconds, which she advised.
The cost? It was $125 for the 20-second exam to say hello and look at them, $220 for the first 3-second "zap," and $220 for the second 3-second "zap" immediately adjacent. Total of almost $600 for a few minutes with the doctor, and of course Obamacare paid nothing - after close to $900/month premium.
Why would you expect your insurance to cover a cosmetic procedure?
Healthcare insurance historically excluded most cosmetic procedures.
It is common for Dermatologists to remove and send obviously non -cancerous moles to the lab as suspicious specimens so that the cost of removal is covered by insurance. Reality is that the removal and lab costs are usually less than the deductible, assuming no other medical costs. This was true before the ACA and remains true today.
This whole subject is full of confusion for me. It seems like we're inundated with varying information from that the costs won't go up much to this thing will cost the average tax payer 10k more in taxes. Every time this subject comes up on various cable news shows you've got all of the talking heads saying this and that and there seems to be a lot of noise about just how much this will cost and how great/bad it will be.
I just wished that there was some kind of unbiased economic based study done to give the real costs. It's all over the place and I end up feeling more confused and bewildered about what it really will take to fix the healthcare system because both sides can make some sense at times but there's real cognitive dissonance when you start trying to reconcile things out.
My gut is telling me that unless you curb and cap the illegals into the country and drastically cut military spending that how in the world is this not going to cost the middle class and up a lot more money. Again, my gut isn't a true metric here so what the hell do I know??
The answer has to be more new centrally created moneys directed toward HC costs.
HC costs aren't going down. We won't be doing without our HC.
We don't want to strap the middle class with more taxes.
The latter won't shift until every wage earner pays federal income and payroll taxes. Currently, only 55% of all income earners pay any federal income tax whatsoever, and 27% of all income earners have a zero sum or negative cumulative federal income and payroll tax rate due to refundable tax credits.
For example, European countries have a 20%-25% VAT that EVERYONE pays. Do that here in the US, make sure EVERYONE pays, and support for increase for universal healthcare.
Agree, tax reform will need to go hand-in-hand with healthcare reform. Eliminating so-called individual and corporate loopholes would also help. Employer contributions plus a more robust tax base and clear tax rates would help fund a public option healthcare.
Only part A is paid for the gov't (or taxes I have paid towards it for 50 years).
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