How can Democrats implement their socialist fantasies when budget deficit averages $1.2 trillion a year next decade? (Reagan, health care)
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At his point, the debt and deficit is everyone's fault - being that we keep sending the same people into office.
Trump is an outsider, and I think he would reign in the deficits if he could, but it's up to 535 people to do that.
You think? Despite the in your face evidence (and his own words, "the King of Debt") to the contrary. You think? That's not what you're doing. You're excusing.
I'll give you the point that it's on all of us and we will pay. Trump won't.
Okay. First, I'm not a Democrat, nor am I a liberal. Nor do I agree with any of these programs you detail. But your post kind of epitomizes the sheer mindlessness that has broken our politics today.
Why? Because neither the Republicans nor the Democrats give a damn about any fiscal responsibility. Let me repeat that for you: They don't care about balancing the budget or even being close to doing so. Neither political party stands for coherent ideology. Instead, they are little more than cartels of power hiding behind their respective fig leafs to satisfy their base. Yet, we have two camps of parrots just repeating whatever talking points have been handed to them by either the DNC or the GOP.
If you actually believe for a moment that the GOP cares, then give me a second while I look for your lobotomy scars. And if you are a Democrat, trust me. The DNC would throw just about any cherished ideal into the river if it meant picking up 200,000 votes in Ohio.
I mean, let's have a litmus test here. How do you feel about the Prescription Act that George W. Bush pushed through? Or what about that completely unjustified invasion of Iraq, undertaken under completely bogus intelligence. I mean, literally on the first day of his administration, Bush was hitting up the intelligence agencies for a good pretext to depose Saddam Hussein. In 2007, the Pentagon released a report that showed that the WMD claims were completely without foundation. Yet, we'll be paying the few trillion that war cost us from now until Doomsday.
And, today, under Donald Trump, we're racking up debt faster than Obama did. This despite having a Republican majority in both Houses before the mid-terms. I sure didn't see any serious budget cutting measures, did you?
Now this is the part where Republicans kind of grumble without any good rebuttal. Why? Because their partisans are so gulled by the GOP's talking points. Just like their liberal counterparts, they've subcontracted their thinking out to other people.
In fact, I'll go one further. I think that it borders on immoral to be a straight-ticket voter for either the Republicans or the Democrats. To do so is to not just irresponsible, but it actually endorses the very forces and mechanisms that have gotten us into this pickle in the first place.
Instead, the only responsible, moral, and ethical thing to do as a voter is to hold both parties in deep suspicious and make them work for your vote. Not with glorified bribery, but with real-world solutions design to give us better and more responsive government in the first place.
Could have guessed by your name you are a pragmatic person. That's the most cogent post I have ever read on PoC
Socialism means workers owning the means of production. It has nothing to do with taxes nor government.
Yep, Bush was the socialist when we the people took on ownership of GM/banks with the bailouts. That’s more socialist than anything Bernie has proposed.
Okay. First, I'm not a Democrat, nor am I a liberal. Nor do I agree with any of these programs you detail. But your post kind of epitomizes the sheer mindlessness that has broken our politics today.
Why? Because neither the Republicans nor the Democrats give a damn about any fiscal responsibility. Let me repeat that for you: They don't care about balancing the budget or even being close to doing so. Neither political party stands for coherent ideology. Instead, they are little more than cartels of power hiding behind their respective fig leafs to satisfy their base. Yet, we have two camps of parrots just repeating whatever talking points have been handed to them by either the DNC or the GOP.
If you actually believe for a moment that the GOP cares, then give me a second while I look for your lobotomy scars. And if you are a Democrat, trust me. The DNC would throw just about any cherished ideal into the river if it meant picking up 200,000 votes in Ohio.
I mean, let's have a litmus test here. How do you feel about the Prescription Act that George W. Bush pushed through? Or what about that completely unjustified invasion of Iraq, undertaken under completely bogus intelligence. I mean, literally on the first day of his administration, Bush was hitting up the intelligence agencies for a good pretext to depose Saddam Hussein. In 2007, the Pentagon released a report that showed that the WMD claims were completely without foundation. Yet, we'll be paying the few trillion that war cost us from now until Doomsday.
And, today, under Donald Trump, we're racking up debt faster than Obama did. This despite having a Republican majority in both Houses before the mid-terms. I sure didn't see any serious budget cutting measures, did you?
Now this is the part where Republicans kind of grumble without any good rebuttal. Why? Because their partisans are so gulled by the GOP's talking points. Just like their liberal counterparts, they've subcontracted their thinking out to other people.
In fact, I'll go one further. I think that it borders on immoral to be a straight-ticket voter for either the Republicans or the Democrats. To do so is to not just irresponsible, but it actually endorses the very forces and mechanisms that have gotten us into this pickle in the first place.
Instead, the only responsible, moral, and ethical thing to do as a voter is to hold both parties in deep suspicious and make them work for your vote. Not with glorified bribery, but with real-world solutions design to give us better and more responsive government in the first place.
Same way Trump passed his tax cut even with mounting deficits. You ram it through and kick the can down the road.
No party has incentive to deal with the deficit until the American people decide they had enough. Politicians from both parties run on give aways and always win. Republicans have their favorites and Democrats have theirs, right now we have a Republican who spends like crazy. Same will be true for the next democrat as talk of deficits will fall on deaf ears as it does currently.
I haven’t heard any pundit on the Right concerned with deficit to the point that they would reject a new tax cut or more military spending. I only single you out because your currently in power.
Republicans created the deficit for just this purpose of then having an excuse to destroy SS, Medicare, and every other "social" program.
Now it's time for Democrats to step up and use a good portion of bloated military funding to fill the gap Republicans created. And no, I don't disparage our armed services, only the poor way in which they are used by those who wish to profit from war.
Proposing pure fantasy that can't be implemented. Budget deficits are already due to skyrocket over the next with annual deficits well over a trillion annually and that assumes no recession.
Yet the Democrats are proposing socialist spending plans and a spending spree.
Elizabeth Warren wants to spend 500 billion dollars to house families, cancel student debt, complimentary or tiny-copay child care for the majority of the nearly 4 million children born annually for a decade or more and then free college for many years after they graduate high school so they can run-up debt for lavish dorms and celebrity-emulating lifestyles while tax payers pay all their tuition.
Bernie Sanders of course wants "Medicare for All" which will be very, very costly as they will have drastically increase reimbursement rates as commercial health plans heavily subsidize Medicare.
Socialism means workers owning the means of production. It has nothing to do with taxes nor government.
What you are referring to is a public safety net. And even though some right wingers always whine about the deficits when it comes to investing in the American people, but never about tax giveaways to billionaires, military and wars, a public safety net can be financed.
We're the richest country in the world. Of course we can afford to provide a decent standard of living to our elderly, the disabled, the sick and the poor. Its all about priorities.
This is spot on.
The money is allocated to things that have very little benefit to the average American. Both parties are guilty of perpetuating a corrupt system that funnels the majority of funds to corporate and defense interests. There's absolutely no reason our defense budget needs to be so many times larger than every other country in the world.
In addition to cutting the defense budget, I would also propose reforming and simplifying the tax code to ensure that all citizens and corporations pay a progressive tax based on gross income and profits, removing the income and property tax exemptions for religious and non-profits.
Unfortunately both political parties are guilty of the same excessive spending for interests that do not align with the public interest. We need to repeal Citizens United, eliminate corporate campaign contributions, eliminate the electoral college and cap individual campaign contributions. The nominated candidate should be chosen based on a popular vote, not by how much money they have raised from PACs and corporations. This should help get us back on track as an actual democracy and not an oligarchy ruled by 2 political parties who are more alike than different.
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