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Old 09-02-2019, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Nope, USMC1984, most would disagree with you. Your post is just made up stuff! TreeBeard is correct.

MYTH: The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun. BIG MYTH!

It’s a phrase we’ve all heard before—on the news or scrolling through Facebook feeds or on forums such as this one. It’s been circulating for at least seven years, ever since NRA's Wayne LaPierre first said the words at a news conference following Sandy Hook.

It appeals to a simplistic (if zero-sum) binary: good versus evil. As in any action movie worth its salt, there will always be a hero waiting to swoop in and save the day, killing the bad guy and getting the acclaim.

Life just isn't that simple folks. Take that tragedy in Dallas Texas about 3 years ago. A trained former military gunman ambushed a massive crowd, aiming for police among a group of protesters. The shooter crossed several blocks, eventually making a last stand in a building on a college campus. His movements made it impossible to determine the precise number of shooters. Meanwhile, at least 20 armed protesters on the ground added to the chaos and confusion.

Five police officers were killed, and nine others were injured, as were two civilians on the scene. In the end, it wasn’t even a gun that brought an end to the violence, but a bomb, aimed by a police robot at the lone gunman.

By the NRA’s standards, the last place a shooter should have succeeded in committing a massacre would be in a heavily armed crowd. However, the roughly 100 police officers present and myriad gun toting civilians were unable to stop the bad guy.

Following the shooting, many prominent Republican leaders who usually respond to mass shootings by wishing there had been more guns on the scene were conspicuously silent. In practice, the promised success of armed opposition to an active shooter once again proved more difficult than some might suppose.

This week-end as another example: weren't several good guys with guns at the scene of a traffic stop that preceded this rampage on the Odessa-Midland highway? Why didn't they just shoot out his tires? Not so easy huh?

So here we are, after these latest massacres in Dayton, El Paso and Odessa and following shooting after shooting, the NRA peddles the same tired good-guy with a gun myth. Interestingly, NRA revenue rises following each successive mass shooting. In fact, following the Sandy Hook shooting, NRA profits increased by almost $100 million, and membership increased by hundreds of thousands, while firearms sales soared.

Armed police were on the scene in under a minute in the mass shooting incident, in Dayton Ohio...by some reports within 30 seconds. “Think about that minute,” said Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley. “The shooter was able to kill nine people and injure 26 in less than a minute.”

The gun-permissiveness crowd wants us not to think about that minute. It puts the lie to the gun lobby’s claim that having armed people nearby when a mass killer strikes is all we need to keep us safe.

They won't want us to think about the good Texans with all those guns that were not able to stop this latest killer from escaping a traffic stop before careening down the highway and slaughtering 7 people either.

It is time, well overdue, to lay aside the NRA’s favorite axiom and start to focus on changing gun policy in these United States of America!
Because whenever it happens that a good guy with a gun stops a bad person is somehow meaningless?

Why don't you show proof to everyone here how any of those shooters would have been prevented with your silly "reasonable gun law" poser garbage.

The only lie here is your absurd post.
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Read the post you are attempting to rewrite, Pedro.
Because only cops can stop shooters right? Why not take guns away from cops because they shoot the wrong person.
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:39 AM
 
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Because whenever it happens that a good guy with a gun stops a bad person is somehow meaningless?

Why don't you show proof to everyone here how any of those shooters would have been prevented with your silly "reasonable gun law" poser garbage.

The only lie here is your absurd post.
The only TRUTH they want is their twisted version.
I saved my own life twice with a gun in the inner city, so I don't really care about their version of the truth.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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Mass murder by guns in Texas is perfectly acceptable just as long as there is easy access to a multitude of guns and types that can be freely and openly carried anywhere.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:28 AM
 
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Mass murder by guns in Texas is perfectly acceptable just as long as there is easy access to a multitude of guns and types that can be freely and openly carried anywhere.
Now you are just making up stuff in your head. Does it get lonely in there?
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Mass murder by guns in Texas is perfectly acceptable just as long as there is easy access to a multitude of guns and types that can be freely and openly carried anywhere.
That's the truth in Texas and in Oklahoma, too, where permitless gun laws start Nov. 1. Guns quite strongly rival abortion as an issue to get quite highly red faced emotional about. As the people there see it more and more guns, especially many more people always armed when in public is the only hope to do something about mass shooters popping up. With that in mind, I sure wouldn't want to be in a bar district at closing time. The threat of fists flying then is already bad enough. By the way, carrying brass knuckles is now legal in Texas.

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Old 09-02-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Now you are just making up stuff in your head. Does it get lonely in there?
The poster isn't exaggerating or storying much. America, including Texas, hasn't done much about the problem of mass shooters since all the way back to the Texas Tower shooting in 1966, which killed 14 people and injured 31.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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The poster isn't exaggerating much. America, including Texas, hasn't done much about the problem of mass shooters since all the way back to the Texas Tower shooting in 1966 which killed 14 people and injured 31.
And what would be your solution that would only impact killers?
And by the way, most mass shootings are in cities like St Louis and Chicago, not in Texas.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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And what would be your solution that would only impact killers?
And by the way, most mass shootings are in cities like St Louis and Chicago, not in Texas.
The mass shootings where most get killed seldom, if ever, take place in St. Louis and Chicago. Better hope killings there don't suddenly jack up one day and go well past 50 and set a record high.

Ban gun free zones unless they can be assured by metal detectors at the entrance monitored by armed guards. And better background checks that work.
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Old 09-02-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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Ban gun free zones unless they can be assured by metal detectors at the entrance monitored by armed guards. And better background checks that work.
Same ideas most gun owners want. The problem with the current BG check is the lack of enforcement. When over 80,000 people have committed a felony by lying on it and less than 1 % have been prosecuted, it can't work.
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