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Old 08-31-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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I'm talking about on a national level.



Rank Geography Firearm homicides: 2015-2016 Per 100,000 Firearm suicides: 2015-2016 (age 10+) Per 100,000 .. United States 27,392 4.4 44,950 7.7 1 New Orleans-Metairie, LA 404 16.6 186 8.1 2 Memphis, TN 398 15 183 7.9 3 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 275 12.6 245 11.9 4 Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD 656 12.2 239 4.6 5 St. Louis, MO 596 11.4 442 8.7 6 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 267 8.9 182 6.5 7 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY 204 8.4 259 11 8 Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI 652 8.2 554 7 9 Kansas City, MO 327 8.2 375 10.4 10 Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL

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Old 08-31-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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Do you see any of these new Texas laws as reasonable, should a bar or church need to post no guns allowed.



It's up to the individual (the people) what they want to keep and bear.

It's up to a church or business (property owners) if they want to allow bearing on their property.

That's the only "reasonable" answer that doesn't run afoul to the 2nd amendment.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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Actually that is to be determined. I have read the law, and it doesn't define "in use."

My interpretation is that unless a gun is being carried by a gun owner with a valued concealed permit, or being actually shot at the time, it is not "in use." If not in use it must be unloaded and locked away in a gun safe.

There's an argument to be made that unless a gun is being shot, it's not "in use." But that of course would render the concealed carry law a nullity, so probably would not fly legally. I'm not a lawyer....


I'm sure someone breaking into your home would allow you time to unlock and load your gun before they assault, rape, kill you.

After all, it's perfectly "reasonable".
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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Good people should be allowed to carry guns wherever bad people are allowed to carry guns.
Since it is illegal to use a gun in the commission of a crime, bad people are not allowed to carry guns. Therefore, by your statement, there is no need for good people to carry guns.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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Actually that is to be determined. I have read the law, and it doesn't define "in use."

My interpretation is that unless a gun is being carried by a gun owner with a valued concealed permit, or being actually shot at the time, it is not "in use." If not in use it must be unloaded and locked away in a gun safe.

There's an argument to be made that unless a gun is being shot, it's not "in use." But that of course would render the concealed carry law a nullity, so probably would not fly legally. I'm not a lawyer....
"My interpretation" Are you a state lawyer, prosecutor or judge in Wash, state?


If NOT your "interpenetration" means NOTHING. Not attacking you but, as we have seen from Wash, MANY things they do do NOT follow "reason" as used by the rest of the country.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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Yes but they should be posting signs allowing them rather than having to post signs prohibiting.


The point being that it should be the property owner's decision to make.


Not the State's.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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Rank Geography Firearm homicides: 2015-2016 Per 100,000 Firearm suicides: 2015-2016 (age 10+) Per 100,000 .. United States 27,392 4.4 44,950 7.7 1 New Orleans-Metairie, LA 404 16.6 186 8.1 2 Memphis, TN 398 15 183 7.9 3 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 275 12.6 245 11.9 4 Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD 656 12.2 239 4.6 5 St. Louis, MO 596 11.4 442 8.7 6 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 267 8.9 182 6.5 7 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY 204 8.4 259 11 8 Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI 652 8.2 554 7 9 Kansas City, MO 327 8.2 375 10.4 10 Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL

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All have huge black gangs and they commit most of the murders. They don't follow any law. I live in Missouri. Most of the rural counties have very little crime. My county has had ONE gun death in the last TEN years. It was a homeowner fending off a home invasion.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:34 AM
 
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Gun laws in NYS and NYC have worked very well, but not perfect. Its worked so well that around half of the guns used in homicides come from other states with loose gun laws.
" Its worked so well that around half of the guns used in homicides come from other states with loose gun laws"


Doesn't NY have LAWS AGAINST transporting guns in from other states? You are proving it is NOT working so well.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:34 AM
 
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Gun laws in NYS and NYC have worked very well, but not perfect. Its worked so well that around half of the guns used in homicides come from other states with loose gun laws.


NY's gun laws are hardly "reasonable".
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:35 AM
 
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I disagree. You're an owner, thus its your private property, too, and the other property owners shouldn't be able to keep you from exercising a constitutional right to carry on your property.
I'd bet if challenged the HOA would lose the case in court.
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