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Old 08-31-2019, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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"Private property owners should be the only ones determining carry rights," what about renters or workers,etc. ?


No one is forced to take a particular job or sign a particular rental agreement.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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I'd bet if challenged the HOA would lose the case in court.
Probably true. The courts ruled that government housing authorities cannot bar guns.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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Crime has been dropping across the nation but I still credit strict gun laws for much of the success, many states with loose laws have a higher homicide rate. Texas is almost 3 times higher than NY , I don't see loosening gun laws in Texas as a very well thought out response.
I don't see that they addressed one other aspect like mental health, just more guns.
"but I still credit strict gun laws for much of the success," Crime was DROPPING BEFORE the gun laws were passed.



" many states with loose laws have a higher homicide rate" MANY states and cities with the STRICTEST gun laws have the HIGHEST rates.


"Texas is almost 3 times higher than NY" Don't know wher you came u with that. NY is 1 state HIGH then taxes. Open the sits and it is easier to read.


"Rates are calculated per 100,000 population per year.


Rates are calculated per 100,000 population per year.
State 2017 2014 2010 2005 2000 1996 Alabama 8.3 5.7 5.7 8.2 7.4 10.4 Alaska 8.4 5.6 4.3 4.8 4.3 7.4 Arizona 5.9 4.7 6.4 7.5 7.0 8.5 Arkansas 8.6 5.6 4.6 6.7 6.3 8.7 California 4.6 4.4 4.8 6.9 6.1 9.1 Colorado 3.9 2.8 2.6 3.7 3.1 4.7 Connecticut 2.8 2.4 3.7 2.9 2.9 4.8 Delaware 5.6 5.8 5.7 4.4 3.2 4.3 Florida 5.0 5.8 5.2 5.0 5.6 7.5 Georgia 6.7 5.7 5.7 6.2 8.0 9.5 Hawaii 2.7 1.8 1.8 1.9 2.9 3.4 Idaho 1.9 2.0 1.4 2.4 1.2 3.6 Illinois 7.8 5.3 5.5 6.0 7.2 10 Indiana 6.0 5.0 4.1 5.7 5.8 7.2 Iowa 3.3 1.9 1.2 1.3 1.6 1.9 Kansas 5.5 3.1 3.4 3.7 6.3 6.6 Kentucky 5.9 3.6 4.3 4.6 4.8 5.9 Louisiana 12.4 10.3 11.0 9.9 12.5 17.5 Maine 1.7 1.6 1.8 1.4 1.2 2.0 Maryland 9.0 6.1 7.4 9.9 8.1 11.6 Massachusetts 2.5 2.0 3.3 2.7 2.0 2.6 Michigan 5.7 5.4 5.9 6.1 6.7 7.5 Minnesota 2.0 1.6 1.8 2.2 3.1 3.6 Mississippi 8.2 8.6 6.9 7.3 9.0 11.1 Missouri 9.8 6.6 7.0 6.9 6.2 8.1 Montana 3.9 3.6 2.5 1.9 1.8 3.9 Nebraska 2.2 2.9 3.0 2.5 3.7 2.9 Nevada 2.3 6.0 5.8 8.5 6.5 13.7 New Hampshire 1.0 0.9 1.0 1.4 1.8 1.7 New Jersey 3.6 3.9 4.2 4.8 3.4 4.2 New Mexico 7.1 4.8 6.8 7.4 7.4 11.5 New York 2.8 3.1 4.5 4.5 5.0 7.4 North Carolina 5.8 5.1 5.0 6.7 7.0 8.5 North Dakota 1.3 3.0 1.5 1.1 0.6 2.2 Ohio 6.1 4.0 4.2 5.1 3.7 4.8 Oklahoma 6.2 4.5 5.2 5.3 5.3 6.8 Oregon 2.5 2.0 2.5 2.2 2.0 4.0 Pennsylvania 5.8 4.8 5.1 6.1 4.9 5.7 Rhode Island 1.9 2.4 2.8 3.2 4.3 2.5 South Carolina 7.8 6.4 5.7 7.4 5.8 9.0 South Dakota 2.9 2.3 2.8 2.3 0.9 1.2 Tennessee 7.8 5.7 5.6 7.2 7.2 9.5 Texas 5.0 4.4 4.9 6.2 5.9 7.7 Utah 2.4 2.3 1.9 2.3 1.9 3.2 Vermont 2.2 1.6 1.1 1.3 1.5 1.9 Virginia 5.3 4.1 4.7 6.1 5.7 7.5 Washington 3.1 2.5 2.3 3.3 3.3 4.6 West Virginia 4.7 4.0 3.1 4.4 2.5 3.8 Wisconsin 3.2 2.9 2.7 3.5 3.2 4.2 Wyoming 2.6 2.7 1.4 2.7 2.4 3.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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94% of mass shooting occur in gun free zones. These crazed killers go where they know law abiding people will not be carrying. I wonder what the solution is? Hmm?

Btw, as a pastor in Texas, I made sure I had several men with weapons, just in case.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The fact that reasonable restrictions almost always leads to fewer gun deaths is lost on gun nuts.
What facts? The ones you made up?
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Old 08-31-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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I am all for the gun laws we have. I am fully in support of the prosecution and punishment of all who violate these laws. The problem is that our legal system lets those who break these and many other laws off the hook with plea bargains, suspended sentences and the like. So more laws dont help, they just make life harder for law abiding people to protect themselves.
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Old 08-31-2019, 07:43 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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This offers a good comparison. We in Washington State enacted recently restrictions on assault rifles, including all semi-automatic-style rifles. And we made it a felony not to have a gun unloaded and locked away when not in use.

Texas seems to be going 180 degrees opposite. We'll see which approach is more effective for gun violence prevention.
I sure hope those idiots passed an accompanying law that requires burglars, home invaders and rapists to announce their intended entry 10 minutes before kicking in a door.
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Old 08-31-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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"Private property owners should be the only ones determining carry rights," what about renters or workers,etc. ?
since renters and workers are already prohibited from certain behaviors by owners you can just apply the same to gun possession.

No drugs/alcohol in the workplace
No smoking apartment buildingd
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Old 08-31-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The point being that it should be the property owner's decision to make.


Not the State's.
I agree.
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Old 08-31-2019, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ultimately, your narrative fails in that crime throughout the country, including in states with high gun ownership rates, have decreased drastically over the last several decades as its become easier to keep and bear arms on your person and in general.

And this includes states like Illinois (home to Chicago), where it is now easier (via court-ordered change for Chicago) to own and carry handguns on your person . . . in fact, Chicago is now a "shall issue" jurisdiction in that regard. Yet, crime continues to decrease and hasn't blossomed like some foolishly predicted despite the overwhelming evidence of the opposite trend happening where such has been implemented. This is because the law makes it easier for law abiding citizens to get guns; criminals are going to be able to get guns no matter what.

What are you not getting about this? In states that you point out to include Texas (and others), violent crime to include homicides has decreased drastically in the decades since its become easier to own firearms there. Again, this mirrors trends throughout the country. If looser gun laws led to a higher homicide rate, we should see the opposite.

And stop and frisk took over 40,000 illegal guns and knives off the street. And I wager that criminals who knew they faced a higher likelihood of getting stopped and possibly frisked (because the frisk too place in less than half of stops) likely thought twice about carrying weapons on them.
You changed the narrative, you selectively to a few rural states with high gun ownership to make your case and you never addressed my points. Instead you moved on to Chicago. We are in agreement that crime has reduced dramatically across the nation, not the point. The fact remains that in Texas the gun homicide rate is almost 3 times as high as NY.


Guns removed under Stop & Frisk was a fraction of one percent, it had little impact and it certainly didn't remove 40,000 illegal guns.
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