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Old 10-31-2019, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I refuse to comment to this straw argument.

It's a legitimate argument. Kids get Pot and Alcohol which is illegal as they do Cigs and Vapes which are also illegal for them. More laws will only affect those that legally partake.


Why are governments legalizing Pot while they and the MEDIA demonize vaping? Inhaling Pot smoke is just fine for young lungs?
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Old 10-31-2019, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It's a legitimate argument. Kids get Pot and Alcohol which is illegal as they do Cigs and Vapes which are also illegal for them. More laws will only affect those that legally partake.


Why are governments legalizing Pot while they and the MEDIA demonize vaping? Inhaling Pot smoke is just fine for young lungs?
Who is saying young people should smoke pot though. That is a straw argument. The issue is people are realizing that a prohibition on pot didn't work. There are indeed medical benefits you it which is why it is legalized in many states, though more and more are legalizing for private use.

As for vaping, that is people realizing how attractive and easy it is for teenagers to start. If I am not mistaken, all of the reported gaping deaths and injuries happened to teenagers. If they used THC oil or used the alleged old Juul juice as per the whistle blower report is anyone's guess.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:51 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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If I am not mistaken, all of the reported gaping deaths and injuries happened to teenagers..
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The median age of deceased patients was 53 years and ranged from 17 to 75 years (as of October 29, 2019).

The median age of patients is 24 years and ages range from 13 to 75 years.
By age group category:
14% of patients are under 18 years old;
40% of patients are 18 to 24 years old;
25% of patients are 25 to 34 years old; and
21% of patients are 35 years or older.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_in...g-disease.html


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...taminated-pods
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Old 10-31-2019, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Who is saying young people should smoke pot though. That is a straw argument. The issue is people are realizing that a prohibition on pot didn't work. There are indeed medical benefits you it which is why it is legalized in many states, though more and more are legalizing for private use.

As for vaping, that is people realizing how attractive and easy it is for teenagers to start. If I am not mistaken, all of the reported gaping deaths and injuries happened to teenagers. If they used THC oil or used the alleged old Juul juice as per the whistle blower report is anyone's guess.

Fact: Alcohol, cigarettes, and Pot are already ILLEGAL for kids yet MOST OF THEM STILL GET IT. Not a straw argument! It is real. More laws aren't going to stop them.
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Old 10-31-2019, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Fact: Alcohol, cigarettes, and Pot are already ILLEGAL for kids yet MOST OF THEM STILL GET IT. Not a straw argument! It is real. More laws aren't going to stop them.
So because people drink and drive regardless of DUI laws, we should get rid of the law because the law is in effective? That is exactly what you are saying and yes that would be a straw argument.
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Old 10-31-2019, 06:52 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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You conflated tobacco deaths and the vaping deaths. The median age (middle age of the recorded cases) as of early September was just 19. Your cigarette deaths were 53. It is an apples to bananas comparison.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-...linked-illness
The CDC (the ones actually investigating the vaping lung illness cases) link is in regards to vaping not tobacco. Please read.

"As of October 29, 2019, 1,888* cases of e-cigarette, or vaping, product use associated lung injury (EVALI) have been reported to CDC from 49 states (all except Alaska), the District of Columbia, and 1 U.S. territory.
Thirty seven deaths in 24 states and the District of Columbia: Alabama, California (3), Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia (3), Illinois (2), Indiana (3), Kansas (2), Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota (3), Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Oregon (2), Pennsylvania, Tennessee (2), Texas, Utah, and Virginia.
The median age of deceased patients was 53 years and ranged from 17 to 75 years (as of October 29, 2019)."

It is followed by
"Among 1,364 patients with data on age (as of October 15, 2019):
The median age of patients is 24 years and ages range from 13 to 75 years.
79% of patients are under 35 years old.
By age group category:
14% of patients are under 18 years old;
40% of patients are 18 to 24 years old;
25% of patients are 25 to 34 years old; and
21% of patients are 35 years or older."
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Old 10-31-2019, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I took two years for vaping to do what tobacco did in 200 years. Lesson: stay natural.
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:30 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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I took two years for vaping to do what tobacco did in 200 years. Lesson: stay natural.
What exactly did vaping do in two years?
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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So because people drink and drive regardless of DUI laws, we should get rid of the law because the law is in effective? That is exactly what you are saying and yes that would be a straw argument.
Did I say get rid of the existing laws? NO. Stop lying.
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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What exactly did vaping do in two years?
Kill people. There are plenty of 90 year old smokers around.
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