Boris Johnson defeated: British lawmakers take control: What it means for Boris, Brexit and Britain (Reagan, borders)
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Who says so. You mean the usual suspects mouthing off outside the gates at 10 Downing Street. Funny how they turn up so fast every time just in time for the telly news.
I have been watching the BBC sending correspondents to towns that voted leave. What they are finding there, everywhere they go, is anger. Anger at the will of the people being thwarted.
And like you can travel to some towns that voted for Trump and find the loyalty still there, there are communities, people who are passionate about Brexit....but the voters that swung it over in the referendum are the swing voters. As this graph clearly indicates, there has been a significant change.
We don't have to focus on that actual number -- just the trends.
Could be that a general election will show that leaving the EU is still the preferred option but it may not....only a general election will tell.
I suspect that many of those voted in to Parliament want to be re-elected. If they feel their constituents want Brexit -- deal or no deal -- they would support these efforts.
Kind of like here and the whole repeal Obamacare. Push came to show and Republican politicians realized at their town halls that their constituents did not want a total repeal of Obamacare. They wanted solutions ot the problems it may have created or not solved but they didn't want a total repeal.
Oh I watch the BBC and ITV, and SKY -- just saying.
It´s all very entertaining isn´t it! Plenty of leavers make a lot of noise, ensuring they get seen on the telly news. The sorts of folks worrying about losing their cheap Romanian nanny for their kids.
The real people....... the ordinary people out there away from the London elite want out.
Many say where are all the benefits from EU membership we hear so much about. Folks didn´t vote leave for no good reason. They have had enough of the EU.
If that idiot Corbyn can be talked into agreeing a general election, he is in for the shock of his life.
And like you can travel to some towns that voted for Trump and find the loyalty still there, there are communities, people who are passionate about Brexit....but the voters that swung it over in the referendum are the swing voters. As this graph clearly indicates, there has been a significant change.
We don't have to focus on that actual number -- just the trends.
Could be that a general election will show that leaving the EU is still the preferred option but it may not....only a general election will tell.
Talk to folks in fishing communities all round the island of Britain, who were sold out when we joined the Common Market. Our fishing grounds handed over to the French and Spanish.
Once prosperous towns reduced to poverty. Talk to folks in the north of England, who have seen an invasion of foreigners pushing up rents and house prices.
Talk to our young people fighting for minimum wage jobs with folks from the EU and elsewhere.
Talk to folks in fishing communities all round the island of Britain, who were sold out when we joined the Common Market. Our fishing grounds handed over to the French and Spanish.
Once prosperous towns reduced to poverty. Talk to folks in the north of England, who have seen an invasion of foreigners pushing up rents and house prices.
Talk to our young people fighting for minimum wage jobs with folks from the EU and elsewhere.
We want out.
Just a comment:
Getting out today is different than not joining in the first place. The (real) problems you mention will not get solved by an arbitrary decision to depart and unforeseen issues may emerge.
Aside from that, Brexit advocates never presented a real (detailed) plan for exit. What are the ups and downs? They limited the discussion to slogan parroting. Even today nobody (Boris included) know what the consequences may be.
Getting out today is different than not joining in the first place. The (real) problems you mention will not get solved by an arbitrary decision to depart and unforeseen issues may emerge.
Aside from that, Brexit advocates never presented a real (detailed) plan for exit. What are the ups and downs? They limited the discussion to slogan parroting. Even today nobody (Boris included) know what the consequences may be.
This!
The leavers were running on the adrenaline of anger like any marital spat escalates to the leaving with the door slamming behind you.
However, once you're out there in the driveway having forgotten your car keys are back inside on the hall table and you're faced with the nearest pub refuge being a 4 mile hike in the rain, ……… well??? What's next …….. a good dose of contriteness, mixed with an embarrassing hat in hand display of apologetic remorse and a supplicants hint that perhaps we should go out together for a hot dinner.
Talk to folks in fishing communities all round the island of Britain, who were sold out when we joined the Common Market. Our fishing grounds handed over to the French and Spanish.
This is complete historical revisionism. No fishing grounds were 'handed over'. The UK was allocated fishing quotas at the inception of the CFP based on historical catch levels, which as a historically large fishing nation were letter than the quotas given to most other countries. UK fishermen then choose freely to sell those quotas to fishermen based in other countries because the UK government in the 80s and 90s did not have a good framework in which to develop the fishing industry compared with some other countries.
As with many of the 'bogeyman Brussels' stories peddled by Brexiteers the reality is very different from the story they tell and the roots of problems lie much closer to home.
In terms of house prices in Northern England, you don't get big house price rises in areas with very slow population growth as much of Northern England is because of immigration, again the root causes are home grown, with the liberalisation of mortgage markets in the 80s and 90s meaning that people could borrow more easily, the extra borrowing funneled more money into the housing sector which then led to higher prices. You can see that because even local areas with a falling out stagnant population have seen big rises in house prices.
As for our young people competing for jobs with immigrants, the big majority of those young people voted to Remain in the EU, it was the pensioners who mostly voted to leave.
As for our young people competing for jobs with immigrants, the big majority of those young people voted to Remain in the EU, it was the pensioners who mostly voted to leave.
In my experience, if there's one person the ardent nationalist despises more than a foreigner living in his country, it's a countryman having the gall to have the desire to live abroad. Or worse yet, return with - ideas.
LONDON — Prime Minister Boris Johnson was battered again on Wednesday as lawmakers from his own party and the opposition pressed ahead to stop his plan for leaving the European Union without an agreement.
Having won control of the legislative agenda on Tuesday night, lawmakers wanted to move quickly on a bill that would rule out Mr. Johnson’s plan for a withdrawal by the end of next month even if there is no deal, which many say would cause chaos. On Wednesday afternoon by a vote of 327 to 299, they pushed the bill through a second stage in the two-step process.
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In the course of Tuesday evening, the prime minister had lost control of Parliament, and with it his oft-made promise to carry out Brexit, “do or die;” possibly fractured his Conservative Party by carrying out a purge of 21 rebel Tory lawmakers who voted against the government; and saw his plan for a swift general election being resisted by his opponents.
LONDON — Prime Minister Boris Johnson was battered again on Wednesday as lawmakers from his own party and the opposition pressed ahead to stop his plan for leaving the European Union without an agreement.
Having won control of the legislative agenda on Tuesday night, lawmakers wanted to move quickly on a bill that would rule out Mr. Johnson’s plan for a withdrawal by the end of next month even if there is no deal, which many say would cause chaos. On Wednesday afternoon by a vote of 327 to 299, they pushed the bill through a second stage in the two-step process.
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In the course of Tuesday evening, the prime minister had lost control of Parliament, and with it his oft-made promise to carry out Brexit, “do or die;” possibly fractured his Conservative Party by carrying out a purge of 21 rebel Tory lawmakers who voted against the government; and saw his plan for a swift general election being resisted by his opponents.
Oopsies!
Looks like Boris is gonna have to do it the hard way, eh?
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