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The electoral college has worked since the birth of our nation. Preventing marriage between blacks and whites was "popular vote". Killing suspects without trial was by "popular vote".
You get the picture.
And likewise in the UK you don't just make huge constitutional changes by the popular vote alone, referendums are advisory only and there are checks and balances in place like parliament being able to have a say on Brexit.
It's funny how you criticise 'popular vote' in the US and support mechanisms to prevent that popular vote controlling everything, but for the UK you think that there shouldn't be any similar protections against 50% plus one vote being the only way to decide things.
It will be a minor factor I think. It will hugely affect UK growth, it will have a moderate effect on growth in the rest of the EU, more so in countries like Ireland especially but also Netherlands, Germany, Belgium. Not so much in Greece or Poland or Italy or Bulgaria.
Outside Europe the effect won't be very noticeable, other than the knock on effect of weaker economies in the UK and Northwest Europe affecting places that have exposure to those regions in their exports.
It will be a minor factor I think. It will hugely affect UK growth, it will have a moderate effect on growth in the rest of the EU, more so in countries like Ireland especially but also Netherlands, Germany, Belgium. Not so much in Greece or Poland or Italy or Bulgaria.
Outside Europe the effect won't be very noticeable, other than the knock on effect of weaker economies in the UK and Northwest Europe affecting places that have exposure to those regions in their exports.
Pushing the EU into a recession will not be a minor event.
It will be a minor factor I think. It will hugely affect UK growth, it will have a moderate effect on growth in the rest of the EU, more so in countries like Ireland especially but also Netherlands, Germany, Belgium. Not so much in Greece or Poland or Italy or Bulgaria.
Outside Europe the effect won't be very noticeable, other than the knock on effect of weaker economies in the UK and Northwest Europe affecting places that have exposure to those regions in their exports.
In other words, it's a foolish idea cooked up by conservatives, nationalists, russians and mr. bannon and friends.....to sow discord and suffering. The idea being that many of these people either profit from discord or they think - magically - that when you tear things apart they automatically come back together as Utopia.
Boris: "go ahead, knock that chip off my shoulder, go ahead, I dare ya." Sound of chip hitting wall behind Boris.
The man pictured himself walking away from the poker table with the entire evenings pot by utilizing a very transparent bluff.
He's been called.
I have to give you credit for that can-do spirit. I'd have thought you would have learned something when HRC lost to Trump. Oh but no, you've shown us how learning from experience can be completely ignored and is.
We read from people who have been ignoring everything for several years now and still with no clue in sight. The resiliency is absolutely stunning.
Kudos to all of you.
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In other words, it's a foolish idea cooked up by conservatives, nationalists, russians and mr. bannon and friends.....to sow discord and suffering. The idea being that many of these people either profit from discord or they think - magically - that when you tear things apart they automatically come back together as Utopia.
That was amazing.
I couldn't park my mind like that even if I tried really hard. How do people learn to do that?
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Thiss is so sad. The people voted to leave. Period. It should've happened within 90 days of the vote. Because the elites are remainers, all they've done since then is tried to undermine the will of the people.
Now they say they need a second referendum because the public "didn't understand the question the first time". Typical liberal "we know better than you".
Sorry, when you don't get the outcome you want, you cannot just keep asking.
The UK had to request to leave via Article 90 which takes 2 years, so we couldn't have left in 90 days.
There will now be an election, and the people will again get to decide as Parliament can not continue to operate without the backing of those it represents.
Although it seems some in Labour are fearful of an election, due to Corbyn losing support and the party sliding to it's lowest polls ever coupled with an anti-semitism crisis.
As far as I am concerned bring on the election, and Labour are the only party standing in the way of an election, and if neccessary a bill can be implimented to start an election with a simple majority rather than the two thirds vote.
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It will be a minor factor I think. It will hugely affect UK growth, it will have a moderate effect on growth in the rest of the EU, more so in countries like Ireland especially but also Netherlands, Germany, Belgium. Not so much in Greece or Poland or Italy or Bulgaria.
Outside Europe the effect won't be very noticeable, other than the knock on effect of weaker economies in the UK and Northwest Europe affecting places that have exposure to those regions in their exports.
Nearly every EU country had a trade surplus with the UK.
The truth is Barnier was recorded on the BBC Documentary stating that he would make Ireland in to a problem and use it against the British. Barnier also laughed at stated he would make it so difficult that the British couldn't leave, yet as MP Sir Bill Cash pointed out yesterday, when we were appraching a no deal in the past, Babnier suddendly stated that a hard border wouldn't be neccessary in Ireland and that there would be alternatives to the backstop. Now Barnier has vhanged his tune again stating the backstop must remain. It's all just a ruse.
The truth is the Germans still want to sell us their cars and don't want to lose business, nor do the rest of the EU and the idea of not trading is laughable. Is the German Chancelllor really going to tell over one hundred thousand German workers that they lost their jobs because a deal couldn't be done in relation to the Irish border, and the same applies to other leaders across Europe. Most people in Europe don't really care about the Irish border, and there would be massive anger across the continent,
A deal will be done, indeed the leaving part is not even the trade deal element, it's just by what terms we leave.
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Strange the way those who support Brexit despite its obvious economic disadvantages for the UK continue to maintain that great trade deals will be signed with the EU because to do otherwise would be economically disadvantageous to EU countries.
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