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Old 09-04-2019, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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A related article linked in the OP's article...

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...buy-in-toronto

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...And no handgun ban is going impact the business of criminals in the underground trade.

There is major cash in peddling illegal guns...

...This was on full display June 28 when Deputy Chief James Ramer and his team brought out 23 guns seized in Project Kraken — worth a street value of $84,000 — and put them on the table.

Some were brand new; others a century old. All deadly.

“It’s all about the cash,” said Ramer.

He added smuggled guns come across the border by people abusing First Nations privileges or they’re hidden in gas tanks or other places by motorists entering Canada from the U.S.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Gun control really works...”Right”

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...-highs-in-2018
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A related article linked in the OP's article...

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...buy-in-toronto
I'm not sure how to respond to this thread, but I would like to point out a few things as regards the Toronto Sun.

The Sun rose out of the ashes of the Toronto Telegram, a slightly right-of-centre broadsheet newspaper. When the Tely, as it was popularly known, died as a result of a labour dispute in 1970 or so; its editors and reporters decided to keep going as the tabloid Toronto Sun. Which they did, independently, for a number of years. Always slightly right-of-centre, but not overly much, and a nice balance to the slightly-left-of-centre Toronto Star. Which continues to be left-of-centre, but not overly much. A friend of mine once summed up the Sun as "Cops! Boobs! Sports!" because they covered local crime extensively, featured well-endowed bikini-clad girls on page 3, and had the best sports page in town.

But in the last ten years or so, the Sun has departed from the idea that its founders had--that is, slightly right-of-centre--and has taken a hard lurch to the far right. Immigrants of any sort are leeching off you; Islam wants to kill you; you need a gun to protect yourself and Canada's handgun laws must change; Justin Trudeau is a pansy who gives in too easily to other nations, and similar. To the Sun's credit, it clearly labels opinion as opinion, and always datelines wire news items as coming from the AP, UPI, CP, or Reuters. Those datelined items coming from non-Sun sources are pretty much trustworthy; the rest, not so much. But the Sun, and its editorial stance, has an audience, as the OP has demonstrated.

The Toronto Sun, and its sister papers in such places as Calgary, are entertaining in a weird way; but as a reliable reporter of news, they're not. Unless it comes straight off the wire from a reliable and reputable wire service, such examples as I gave above. Nowadays, when the Sun does its own thing, it's about as reputable as the Weekly World News, complete with BatBoy, Soviet bombers being found on the moon, and Elvis being alive and well and living in in Perth, Ontario.

Anybody who cites the Toronto Sun as a news source might do well to find a better and more reputable source, IMHO.

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Old 09-05-2019, 02:15 AM
 
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Uh, NY has one of the lowest gun violence rates in the USA......please, don't compare Dallas or the state of LA, with loose gun laws, to Canada.

LA= 12 per 100,000
Canada - 1.7 per 100,000

What's going on with the Right in this country? Do they really not know facts or do they try to snow ignorant people by picking and choosing??? It has to be one or the other......

Here is actually the real story. The USA sits in between SUDAN AND ZAMBIA in terms of murder rate.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...y-country.html
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:10 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Gun control really works...”Right”

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...-highs-in-2018
New York city has very restrictive gun laws.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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New York city has very restrictive gun laws.
Yes they do, as does every big city in American, yet that is where the vast majority of murders by people using guns occurs. Proving the MOST RESTRICTIVE gun laws are meaningless.
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:03 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Yes they do, as does every big city in American, yet that is where the vast majority of murders by people using guns occurs. Proving the MOST RESTRIVE gun laws are meaningless.
The fact that the US is such an 'outlier' compared to countries with tighter gun laws suggests otherwise doesn't it!?? And its not even close! Its not even close to being close!


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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The fact that the US is such an 'outlier' compared to countries with tighter gun laws suggests otherwise doesn't it!?? And its not even close! Its not even close to being close!


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts
Vox? Really?

Most of U.S. gun related deaths are suicides. Most of the rest are inner city black on black murders, yet the Democrats and Media address neither.
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Canada's homicide rate is still way lower than USA's.

Yes Toronto hit a high of 3.11 per 100,000 homicide rate while New York hit one of its lowest in years of 3.05 per 100,000.

But nothing in the article suggests it has anything to do with restrictive or liberal gun laws.

(Isn't NYC one of the most restrictive cities -- looks like gun control is working there right?).
Yeah its foolish to use some outlier cities to frame what really is a national issue that requires national solutions. Canada isn't squeaky clean when it comes to gun deaths/violence by any stretch, but there is simply no corollary with the level that is experienced in the U.S yoy. Using the Toronto and NYC comparison is simply a lazy excuse to dodge a much larger issue.
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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96 > 289.

OP is using Republican math.

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Depending on how the population is counted the NYC area has 20 million people and Toronto has 6 million. So the homicide rates is higher in Toronto.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Anybody who cites the Toronto Sun as a news source might do well to find a better and more reputable source, IMHO.
Which of the numbers from the link do you dispute? It appears from reading the link that the numbers come from law enforcement sources.
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