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Old 09-05-2019, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by katharsis View Post
Of course, you are entitled to your opinions, but you shouldn't write falsehoods. Even the NIST said that it was not hit by a falling tower, but it was hit with debris. From the link below:

QUOTE (my italics):

"What caused the fires in WTC 7?

"Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors-7 through 9 and 11 through 13-burned out of control."

END QUOTE

https://www.nist.gov/pba/questions-a...-investigation
uhm...I was there

maybe you should not re-write falsehoods from a distance

where were you that day...were you a NYC resident??..were you a NYC firefighter?? I was

I saw the damage cause when tower 1 fell

the entire front fascia was sheared off

a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)

there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building

it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

my fellow FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors


The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on nearly all floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:30 PM
 
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The following 20-minute video is part of a five-hour documentary, "The New Pearl Harbor", which was a debunking of the official story and the Popular Mechanics explanation. Every segment is devastating, imo, to the official story, but as we are mostly just talking about Building 7 on this thread, here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLZZF8Fw4c

Rebuttals welcome! (I am not an engineer, but it does seem convincing to this unscientifically-minded person.)

P.S. This is not some kind of "batsh*t crazy" film from some amateur in a basement. The film has received an 9.0 (out of 10) rating from IMDb. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3828916/

Thank you. Someone that realizes that what I posted or is being said by those who don't buy the 'official story' is credible, science based, and relevant. People who see through the Al Qaeda terrorist narrative aren't bat **** crazy, tin foil hat wearing lunatics. They are people that have taken the time to genuinely research the free fall of the buildings, the reactive explosive evidence in the rubble, the fact that debris was being removed illegally nearly right after the incident, the explosions BEFORE any planes hit,.. explosions that killed people in the lobbies of the WTC buildings, people who watched the free fall demolition of WTC 7 and saw it for what it is. No emotion. Just common sense and rationality. And University of Fairbanks agrees and scientifically proved that the gov't official story is absolutely 100% impossible. All the columns of Building 7, a building NOT hit by a plane, must have been severed at the same time in order to cause a free fall speed collapse into it's own footprint. Office fires burning on a few floors of a high rise steel/concrete building that was meant to take jet plane impacts CANNOT bring down said building at free fall into it's own footprint, pulverizing the concrete and debris into a fine dust. It's impossible, and the gov't official story is a complete and utter lie. Really hope that the people here clinging so hard to it would re-evaluate, because that lie has and still is affecting their lives profoundly.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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uhm...I was there

maybe you should not re-write falsehoods from a distance

where were you that day...were you a NYC resident??..were you a NYC firefighter?? I was

I saw the damage cause when tower 1 fell

the entire front fascia was sheared off

a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)

there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building

it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

my fellow FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors


The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on nearly all floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini



Many witnesses that were also there that day would disagree with you, fwiw. In fact, there are a good many that are in the process of suing the FBI and supporting the effort to make sure NY honors it's pledge to carry out a Federal Grand Jury evaluating the evidence for explosive demolition of all three buildings.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Thank you. Someone that realizes that what I posted or is being said by those who don't buy the 'official story' is credible, science based, and relevant. People who see through the Al Qaeda terrorist narrative aren't bat **** crazy, tin foil hat wearing lunatics. They are people that have taken the time to genuinely research the free fall of the buildings, the reactive explosive evidence in the rubble, the fact that debris was being removed illegally nearly right after the incident, the explosions BEFORE any planes hit,.. explosions that killed people in the lobbies of the WTC buildings, people who watched the free fall demolition of WTC 7 and saw it for what it is. No emotion. Just common sense and rationality. And University of Fairbanks agrees and scientifically proved that the gov't official story is absolutely 100% impossible. All the columns of Building 7, a building NOT hit by a plane, must have been severed at the same time in order to cause a free fall speed collapse into it's own footprint. Office fires burning on a few floors of a high rise steel/concrete building that was meant to take jet plane impacts CANNOT bring down said building at free fall into it's own footprint, pulverizing the concrete and debris into a fine dust. It's impossible, and the gov't official story is a complete and utter lie. Really hope that the people here clinging so hard to it would re-evaluate, because that lie has and still is affecting their lives profoundly.
you are repeating debunked garbage

reactive explosive evidence....never..I repeat never found...or are you talking about steven jone's paint chips

debris was illegally removed....nope, yes it was moved...to Staten island..and every spec of dust was sifted through

there were NO explosions before the planes hit..that is a complete lie


you are a complete numbnuts
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by katharsis View Post
Of course, you are entitled to your opinions, but you shouldn't write falsehoods. Even the NIST said that it was not hit by a falling tower, but it was hit with debris. From the link below:

Debris is understatement to say the least.


http://wtc7.net/docs/June2004WTC7_Page_16_cropped.jpg



The exact extent of the damage around that corner is not known. It was always obscured.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ray34iyf View Post
Thank you. Someone that realizes that what I posted or is being said by those who don't buy the 'official story' is credible, science based, and relevant. People who see through the Al Qaeda terrorist narrative aren't bat **** crazy, tin foil hat wearing lunatics. They are people that have taken the time to genuinely research the free fall of the buildings, the reactive explosive evidence in the rubble, the fact that debris was being removed illegally nearly right after the incident, the explosions BEFORE any planes hit,.. explosions that killed people in the lobbies of the WTC buildings, people who watched the free fall demolition of WTC 7 and saw it for what it is. No emotion. Just common sense and rationality. And University of Fairbanks agrees and scientifically proved that the gov't official story is absolutely 100% impossible. All the columns of Building 7, a building NOT hit by a plane, must have been severed at the same time in order to cause a free fall speed collapse into it's own footprint. Office fires burning on a few floors of a high rise steel/concrete building that was meant to take jet plane impacts CANNOT bring down said building at free fall into it's own footprint, pulverizing the concrete and debris into a fine dust. It's impossible, and the gov't official story is a complete and utter lie. Really hope that the people here clinging so hard to it would re-evaluate, because that lie has and still is affecting their lives profoundly.

Yep they flew to plane loads of people into buildings full of people and then just to complicate things a little more planted explosives and blew them up.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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there were NO explosions before the planes hit..that is a complete lie

There is actually a pretty interesting and plausible theory for any explosions after the planes hit that may even contributed to their collapse. Planes have huge amounts of aluminum in them with low melting point. Molten aluminum when combined with water has the explosive energy many times that of TNT. If enough of it melted and pooled, if it came in contact with water which there was also plenty of... BOOM!


You may recall that one video where it appears molten metal is running out the side of the building? The color is consistent with molten aluminum.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is actually a pretty interesting and plausible theory for any explosions after the planes hit that may even contributed to their collapse. Planes have huge amounts of aluminum in them with low melting point. Molten aluminum when combined with water has the explosive energy many times that of TNT. If enough of it melted and pooled, if it came in contact with water which there was also plenty of... BOOM!


You may recall that one video where it appears molten metal is running out the side of the building? The color is consistent with molten aluminum.
yes...AFTER the hits...not before like 'ray' said

things in an office building that can EXPLODE

computer monitors
battery backups
emergency lighting
florescent bulds
transformers
breakerboxes
fire extignushers
arisol cans ('dust-off')
cleaning solvents
wax for floors in 5 gallon cans
betteries
car batteries (in underground parking)
car fuel tanks (in underground parking)

etc


explosions dont mean bombs


the firemen even commented on how the BODIES hitting the pavement and the entrance way SOUNDED like explosions

firemen even commented on the sound of the floors impacting each other SOUNDED like explosions

but to twoofers the SOUND of explosions means bombs
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is actually a pretty interesting and plausible theory for any explosions after the planes hit that may even contributed to their collapse. Planes have huge amounts of aluminum in them with low melting point. Molten aluminum when combined with water has the explosive energy many times that of TNT. If enough of it melted and pooled, if it came in contact with water which there was also plenty of... BOOM!


You may recall that one video where it appears molten metal is running out the side of the building? The color is consistent with molten aluminum.
yep..that 'molten metal' is from the 80th and 81st floor...its a backup battery room..
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:39 PM
 
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911 was the result of terrorists flying jets into buildings.

You can argue that it was allowed to happen (which I don't believe), but the idea the buildings were brought down via our government is insanity.
And which plane flew into building 7?
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