Jemele Hill's call for black athletes to leave 'white' colleges draws charges of 'pro-segregation' and racism (unemployed, generations)

[uggabugga]

chowhound is centuries old?

dang. i gotta remember to ask him the secret of his incredible longevity.

[Chowhound]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

But you have....you have been doing this to others for centuries. What do you think white flight was all about? I can show you school districts and schools, currently, where the white student body has drastically reduced as blacks started enrolling in the district or schools.

The key point you're missing that these colleges are making policies and accepting this sort of thing. The left likes to throw around the word "systemic racism", these types of polices would be an example of that.

What people do on their own is one thing. Black folks wanna hang with other black people have at it. White flight, whatever.

Just don't make it an accepted policy on a college campus allowing and condoning this behavior.

If you can't see how that is ten fold more offensive and not appropriate then I'm done. LOL.

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by Chowhound

The key point you're missing that these colleges are making policies and accepting this sort of thing. The left likes to throw around the word "systemic racism", these types of polices would be an example of that.

What people do on their own is one thing. Black folks wanna hang with other black people have at it. White flight, whatever.

Just don't make it an accepted policy on a college campus allowing and condoning this behavior.

If you can't see how that is ten fold more offensive and not appropriate then I'm done. LOL.

You cannot undo the damage of systemic racism against blacks....without systemic racism that is for blacks.


Again, inequalities CANNOT be resolved through equal treatment. Equal treatment would have prevented the inequalities....but it cannot help undo what has already been done.....just mitigate it getting worse. Inequalities can ONLY be resolved through discrimination.

[cttransplant85]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Inequalities can ONLY be resolved through discrimination.

I legitimately can not tell if this is a troll account or not. If this person is serious they need to seek psychiatric help immediately.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

Here are some of the additional perks\Considerations:

1) Soft money, help for family etc. If they're a big enough name to have meaningful jersey sales you can bet that if their mom needs a good job that she will get one. You also may get a bag full of cash handed to your uncle. That stuff is rampant and well documented.

This is true, but not as true as it used to be, the players police each other now, especially the ones who get nothing.

I would say this happens more in high school than college now.

2) Fame. That means groupies as well as job opportunities past college, often in sales etc. positions.

any decent looking guy can get women, so that one doesnt matter.

the job opportunities past college does matter though. Lots of former players work at car dealerships weirdly enough.

3) Vastly lowered admission standards.

this isnt really true. Every university has minimum admissions standards. they do this because you cant just judge someone based on grades and well yes, it means athletes get in.

the kid who has a 2.5 GPA, but started a lawn care service at 12 that employs 60 people by high school graduation, will likely get into a decent school before the kid who has a 3.5 GPA.

4) The additional money they may earn is used to subsidize all the other sports programs that typically lose money basically the womens sports. You want players to benefit from their sports $$$? Well then that means the other sports that are money losers would be penalized if you want to be fair about things.

LOL at "additional"

if you go to Youtube, you can see tours of college football facilities. You dont need a 32 inch TV screen in every locker, foot warmers at the base of those lockers, thumb print locks for those lockers, or massage lazyboy chairs in the lobby, gold plated mascots in the lobbies. hot tubs on each floor. Customer t shirt making rooms. And so on and so forth.

Lastly, indentured servitude is a contract that cannot be exited by the servant. The scholarship recipient can leave anytime they want. To conflate a willing contract with IS is frankly offensive to those that went through the latter.

This isnt true.

All NCAA schools have an agreement when it comes to admittance to scholarship athletes. In short, if you accept a scholarship for say Michigan, then the University of Michigan can bar you from getting scholarships at the other 1,270 schools , then you cant go anywhere else and get a scholarship. they can even bar admissions to select schools they have agreements with. I believe the entire BIG 10 has such an agreement when it comes to athletes

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by uggabugga

no coyness here. it's sad that you so often puke up whattaboutisms that you can't even defend in order to avoid addressing the topics you're posting in.

here you are doing exactly the same thing just yesterday

Whataboutism is about you allowing someone to do something stupid because someone else you disagree with also did it.

I clearly do not participate in that, as You have never seen men support segregation or calling people stupid for having different political beliefs.

What I did was call out the hypocrisy of people on your side who absolutely are hypocrites.

And yes, you are playing coy, "Democratic Plantation"

[Chowhound]

Originally Posted by cttransplant85

I legitimately can not tell if this is a troll account or not. If this person is serious they need to seek psychiatric help immediately.

Yep, saw a lot of words, most of it didn't mean much.

You've got militant people that will never concede that a portion of a given argument may be true or agree to disagree. I can disagree with things and yet still see things on the other side that may be true.

Many people today, do not bother with that, it's their opinion, their side and nothing else. I work with one such pinhead, I see it IRL and on this forum.

Jemele Hill is a racist douchbag. I'd say the same thing about a white person saying and advocating such things.

Common sense is just common sense.

It's just not that common anymore.

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Whataboutism is about you allowing someone to do something stupid because someone else you disagree with also did it.

wrong. whattaboutism is throwing out a different scenario from the OP and using it to distract attention from the current topic. which is exactly what you did.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I clearly do not participate in that, as You have never seen men support segregation or calling people stupid for having different political beliefs.

you clearly do. as i just demonstrated. you did the exact same thing in a thread yesterday, which i also demonstrated.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

What I did was call out the hypocrisy of people on your side who absolutely are hypocrites.

making up lies is not 'calling out hypocrisy' in any way, shape or form.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

And yes, you are playing coy, "Democratic Plantation"

forcing you to own your own words is far from coy. i don't know what you're blathering about re: 'democratic plantation.'

Originally Posted by cttransplant85

I legitimately can not tell if this is a troll account or not. If this person is serious they need to seek psychiatric help immediately.

agreed.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by uggabugga

wrong. whattaboutism is throwing out a different scenario from the OP and using it to distract attention from the current topic. which is exactly what you did.

Im not detracting from it, im saying you are all hypocrites.

you clearly do. as i just demonstrated. you did the exact same thing in a thread yesterday, which i also demonstrated.

No, i called out hypocrisy yesterday too.

making up lies is not 'calling out hypocrisy' in any way, shape or form.

no lies were said.

forcing you to own your own words is far from coy. i don't know what you're blathering about re: 'democratic plantation.'

I do own my words, so how are you "forcing me" to do anything .

And the reference is to people calling black Democrats/left of center stupid, per you claiming my example yesterday was not calling out hypocrisy.

if you cant call out the people who do that, or who tell black people to take care of their own community, then you are a hypocrite.

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Im not detracting from it, im saying you are all hypocrites.

it's the very definition of detracting. you refuse to address the thread topic until someone calls out some made-up nonsense that you insist they call out? that's dictionary-level detracting.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

No, i called out hypocrisy yesterday too.

quick tip: throwing up lies is not calling out hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

no lies were said.

this right here was a lie. you have failed to show otherwise after a considerable number of posts:

Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post

There are entire threads where conservatives argue for the same thing.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I do own my words, so how are you "forcing me" to do anything .

well, you have a point there. you're refusing to own your own words. is that better?

Originally Posted by dsjj251

And the reference is to people calling black Democrats/left of center stupid, per you claiming my example yesterday was not calling out hypocrisy.

if you cant call out the people who do that, or who tell black people to take care of their own community, then you are a hypocrite.

i didn't say anything about 'democratic plantation' so i still don't know what you're babbling about. your example yesterday was not 'calling out hypocrisy' - it was (yet again) making up a whattaboutism claim with no basis in fact.