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I think the health care issues will slide back the way they were before the ACA. People who cannot afford insurance will not get it and will use the ER as their doctor, as those with insurance will pay for them.
The admin has dismantled part of the law, which basically renders the whole thing useless. We have no health insurance policy now, and I assume the lobbyists are in charge.
One can only assume that people who refuse to get insurance are going to end up using the ER as their physician. It is sad. This admin wanted to take us backwards and they have.
No, you have chosen to assume that.
Just because someone, say in their late 50s or early 60s who doesn't qualify for a subsidy is too cheap to buy a policy, doesn't mean that that person if, say he or she gets an infection, that he or she isn't going to crack open his or her wallet and pay for an office visit and get a prescription.
Do people have short memories? This 3 post exchange is precisely what has been talked about for some years on this forum. This is exactly how it went.
The right opposed it because we knew it was unaffordable for most people. We had catastrophic insurance that was affordable, and no matter how many times we discussed this, the lefties kept crying about "we need everyone to have access to medical care" (which, everyone does, btw).
At some point, the left started to admit that they wanted single payer, and I distinctly remember a thread where some of them were admitting that this overbloated garbage pile of nonsense called Obamacare was a step towards their precious single payer. We even had videos of Obama talking about single payer.
And now, Obamacare is failing. Anyone who didn't see that coming is just plain stupid.
I guess the left thought they were going to be in charge when it came falling apart - I'm sure they still have hope to take over in 2020 and give everyone government healthcare.
Be careful what you (general) fools wish for. If you ever wanted to know how "great" government healthcare will be for you, you should probably talk to some veterans.
But I love how the left right now is pretending that they're upset about all of this. No they aren't. They're delighted - as long as they win in 2020. If they don't, they'll continue to pretend outrage.
Yes, this is exactly what Obama was banking on - and it's a play straight out of the Alinsky playbook.
If you can't get what you want (single-payer), intentionally devise a plan that will fail. The death spiral was discussed before the passage of Obamacare - meaning they knew it would flop - yet they went ahead with it. The Dems' thinking, arrogant as they are, was the Hillary would win at the same time Obamacare was going into the toilet, causing middle-income people to have no affordable options, and then....then!...they could push for single-payer.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Obamacare went overboard in providing free or ridiculously subsidized insurance to moderate earners while forcing middle-income earners to fork over $1000 a month for plans that pay squat. In what world is it fair for someone earning $38,000 (the moderate) to pay only $100 a month, and a person earning $48,000 (the middle) to pay $1000?
Once I was in a specialist's office and not only did I have to pay $1100 for the treatment (it was a laser thing to correct a clouded-over lens in my eye), I also had to pay $700 for the "out-patient" surgery center. This was on top of the $900 I had just paid the previous week for my health "insurance". Almost $3,000 out in a single month. When I complained to the person waiting next to me about the $700 facility charge, she told me Obamacare covered hers! Then the half-dozen or so of us in the waiting room started comparing notes, and guess what? I was apparently the only middle-income person in the room, and NOBODY paid for either the facility or the laser treatment.
Yes, this is exactly what Obama was banking on - and it's a play straight out of the Alinsky playbook.
If you can't get what you want (single-payer), intentionally devise a plan that will fail. The death spiral was discussed before the passage of Obamacare - meaning they knew it would flop - yet they went ahead with it. The Dems' thinking, arrogant as they are, was the Hillary would win at the same time Obamacare was going into the toilet, causing middle-income people to have no affordable options, and then....then!...they could push for single-payer.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Obamacare went overboard in providing free or ridiculously subsidized insurance to moderate earners while forcing middle-income earners to fork over $1000 a month for plans that pay squat. In what world is it fair for someone earning $38,000 (the moderate) to pay only $100 a month, and a person earning $48,000 (the middle) to pay $1000?
Once I was in a specialist's office and not only did I have to pay $1100 for the treatment (it was a laser thing to correct a clouded-over lens in my eye), I also had to pay $700 for the "out-patient" surgery center. This was on top of the $900 I had just paid the previous week for my health "insurance". Almost $3,000 out in a single month. When I complained to the person waiting next to me about the $700 facility charge, she told me Obamacare covered hers! Then the half-dozen or so of us in the waiting room started comparing notes, and guess what? I was apparently the only middle-income person in the room, and NOBODY paid for either the facility or the laser treatment.
I HATE OBAMACARE.
Yeah, only the people who aren't on Obamacare seem to hate it.
Let me give a pre-Obamacare perspective: I was managing a small size but struggling publicly traded company - and the HR reported to me. Every year, we'd have the employee health plan decisions to make. The HR person would be talking to the broker to get us the best deal for the employees - you know the free market person everyone keeps talking about so fondly. Except what he offered wasn't free: every year, the cost increases were 20-40% range and lower coverage. It was tough - we would do our best (our revenues weren't growing nearly as fast) and presented the least grim news to our employees and watch their tight faces.
But, of course, there is a lot of money in health care (you can't have the most expensive health care system in the world without making a whole lot of money) and all of that can fund a lot of tea parties, "news" networks and propaganda and tell the gullible what they should be thinking. These interests aren't going to give up their support for "free market" gravy train. And, they don't need to with all the suckers around to lap up the disinformation and own and propagate it as the truth.
And yes - I have been to 30 countries and worked in multiple first world countries. Of the systems I know, I'd take the German health care over what we have (and we personally are well covered) any day. I am sure that's heresy to some but to those who don't believe, no proof will suffice.
You beat me to it. I actually work for doctors and in the last several interviews I went on, not even they offered insurance to their employees. So before Republicans crow about how awful Obamacare is, since there is no longer a mandate, why don't medical employees have insurance, still? What's the Republican excuse now? If an employee working for a doctor can't even get insurance, we're in a sorry state of affairs.
Well thwres a ton of issues in the coubtry regarding health. Not all of it is the individuals control. But it should not bankrupt someone to get help.
Old system was horrible, ACA poorly executed but it was a step in the right direction.
Most never thought the old system was horrible until we were told over and over again it was.
I had a few complaints. The main one being that in NY I was unable to buy catastrophic only. And the current rules still tell that unless I qualify for a hardship.
Good thing I have the government to tell me I can't have insurance for what I really want it for. A $200,000 bill not a few thousand in doctors, tests and prescriptions with a deductible that I have to pay first anyway.
It puzzles me why people think health insurance is relevant. I have a friend who is poor. She was ecstatic when she got health insurance under the government program.
"Can you go to the doctor now?"
"No. the deductible is too high, but at least i have insurance."
She does not get 100% subsidy, so she now has to pay for health insurance but still cannot afford to go to the doctor. What good did the health insurance do for her?
What is needed is lower cost health care. Health insurance is completely irrelevant. It does not and cannot provide lower cost health care. As always,. our government and the media are obsessing over a symptom wile ignoring the problem and the public is following them right along like a heard of sheep.
1. public support for Medicare-for-all shifts significantly when people hear arguments about potential tax increases or delays in medical tests and treatment.
2 most supporters (67 percent) of such a proposal think they would be able to keep their current health insurance coverage.
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Insurance became unaffordable BECAUSE of Obama. Tanking the ACA and returning to a free competitive market is the solution.
I agree. Cost of ACA skyrocketed and coverage reduced. Government has no business in our healthcare.
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