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Old 02-19-2020, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You may know more than me about the inner workings, but my guess is that there was more to this than just the grand jury. Otherwise why would Trump have expressed frustration?

The old saying is that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. In this case it did not happen in spite of pretty clear evidence. McCabe was fired for lying under oath after extensive investigation by the FBI OPR and DOJ IG. McCabe and Comey contradicted each other in congressional testimony about leaks. One or the other was lying. That could have been investigated and prosecuted, but it wasn't.

To say that the grand jury did it feels a little to me like 'the dog ate my homework. I suspect there was more going on here.
It took a judge’s threat to end the investigation, if they weren’t interested then why the second grand jury. Sure looks like Barr was out for blood but ended up empty. Ridiculous that this dragged on for 2 years.
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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How do you account for the fact that they said they were going to impeach Trump the day he was sworn in?

What do you think a group of dishonest people would do if a disruptor, someone who wasn't on the take in some way, was elected President?
The ever elusive “they”, was it the DOJ on day 1.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:29 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Yes he did get caught lying. And even admitted to it.

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Nonsense yourself. See the above post. McCabe was caught lying 4 times, twice under oath.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:42 PM
 
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Well then why did the Grand Jury refuse to return an indictment? If the case was as airtight as you claim, then it should have been easy to meet the low bar required to get an indictment.
We do not actually know that the grand jury actually did refuse to return an indictment. As far as I can tell, that is just you fabricating baseless assertions out of thin air, yet again.

To be fair, we really do not know what happened here, except that the judge made several statements insisting that the DOJ either file charges or stand down. As far as we can tell, it is most likely that they never did file charges for the grand jury to consider.

That would not of course prohibit the DOJ from revisiting this later. Perhaps John Durham will pursue this as part of his investigation later this year.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:51 PM
 
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We do not actually know that the grand jury actually did refuse to return an indictment. As far as I can tell, that is just you fabricating baseless assertions out of thin air, yet again.

To be fair, we really do not know what happened here, except that the judge made several statements insisting that the DOJ either file charges or stand down. As far as we can tell, it is most likely that they never did file charges for the grand jury to consider.

That would not of course prohibit the DOJ from revisiting this later. Perhaps John Durham will pursue this as part of his investigation later this year.
We know a grand jury was empaneled to look into the McCabe matter in 2018. https://www.npr.org/2018/09/06/64530...-andrew-mccabe

It was either reconvened in September 2019 or a new Grand Jury empaneled. https://www.lawfareblog.com/mystery-mccabe-grand-jury

No indictment was issued, and the US Attorney's office refused to deny that the Grand Jury would not issue an indictment. There is nothing made up out of thin air.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Yes he did get caught lying. And even admitted to it.
Yes, and notice that these lies had to do with leaks to the media, which is a dirty game to begin with. They leak selectively to media in order to try to construct a narrative that benefits them, or harms their enemies.

The leaks themselves are often technically illegal, involving mishandling of government records and classified info. There is a quote from James Comey in Kim Strassel's book denouncing the practice of leaking. Then of course, Comey famously leaked one of his conversations with President Trump to media, via a law professor buddy. Comey admitted to this in congressional testimony, most likely to avoid a possible perjury situation.

Also in congressional testimony, McCabe said that Comey had signed off on McCabe's leaking activities. Comey said before congress that he had not signed off. 100% that one or the other was lying.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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We know a grand jury was empaneled to look into the McCabe matter in 2018. https://www.npr.org/2018/09/06/64530...-andrew-mccabe

It was either reconvened in September 2019 or a new Grand Jury empaneled. https://www.lawfareblog.com/mystery-mccabe-grand-jury

No indictment was issued, and the US Attorney's office refused to deny that the Grand Jury would not issue an indictment. There is nothing made up out of thin air.
But you seem to think that he was not indicted because there was no there there. We don't know that.

We do know that McCabe was fired from the FBI for 'lack of candor' after extensive investigations by the DOJ IG and FBI OPR found that he had lied four times, including twice under oath.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Sen Ron Johnson (R,WI) is demanding an explanation as to why McCabe was let off the hook. Johnson is chair of the governmental affairs committee.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/19...et-mccabe-off/

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The former FBI deputy director, Andrew McCabe, lied to the director of the FBI and, under oath, to his own internal investigators and the Justice Department’s inspector general,” Johnson said in a statement Tuesday. “These are established facts. The Justice Department’s decision to not pursue criminal charges against him send the wrong message, that government employees can lie with impunity….
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Old 02-19-2020, 03:02 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yes he did get caught lying. And even admitted to it.
Well, that's how he did it. They call lying "lack of candor", so it doesn't sound so bad. Him and Comie, Stryck, and Page have destroyed whatever faith was had in the FBI, and the Water boarder in Charge of the CIA John "Commie" Brenner has done the same at the CIA.
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Old 02-19-2020, 03:05 PM
 
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We know a grand jury was empaneled to look into the McCabe matter in 2018. https://www.npr.org/2018/09/06/64530...-andrew-mccabe

It was either reconvened in September 2019 or a new Grand Jury empaneled. https://www.lawfareblog.com/mystery-mccabe-grand-jury

No indictment was issued, and the US Attorney's office refused to deny that the Grand Jury would not issue an indictment. There is nothing made up out of thin air.
IF AN INDICTMENT IS PRESENTED to a grand jury, then they respond with either a "True bill" (indictment) or a "No true bill" (no indictment) ruling.

Your assertion that the grand jury refused to indict (after the DOJ filed an indictment) is as far as I can tell without factual support. If you have factual support, feel free to provide it. However, knowing you as I do, I certainly will not be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
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