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Well Singapore has come a long way from the 1960s when it was part of Malayisa and with it were massive race riots, to today as it never happens. This begain with Singapore first leaderFounding Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew had, in 1965, promised to build a multiracial nation. He said on Aug 9 that year: "This is not a Malay nation; this is not a Chinese nation; this is not an Indian nation. Everyone will have his place, equal: language, culture, religion.
That speech was well ahead of that time, In the vast majority of the world then, the thought that everyone has his place; equal language, culture and religion would not be imaginable.
OnePeople.Sg in 2013 found that more than 90 per cent of the 2,000-plus Chinese respondents said they were comfortable with Indians and Malays as neighbors and employees - and about 85 per cent as close friends. That is a higher ranking than the neighbouring countries. the Singapore government has worked very hard to strive to maintain good race and cultural relations.
Yes, but what exactly can the west learn? Given most western countries are far more multicultural than Singapore. There must be more to it than they "strive to maintain.....".
Yes, but what exactly can the west learn? Given most western countries are far more multicultural than Singapore. There must be more to it than they "strive to maintain.....".
I already did, and Singapore has a higher percentage of Muslims than any Australian city, yet they have not had one Islamist terrorist attack. Also, Singapore has no tolerance for radical Islamic preachers and that has been longer than what the West has. Paris and London have a similar percentage of Muslims as Singapore. So what Singapore is doing on striving to maintain on racial and religious harmony seems more workable than the West, where ethnic and religious ghettos do not exist in Singapore and they do in some cities in the West.
Segregated communities no matter, if it is a dominant culture or a minority culture of a nation, brings in major social and or racial tensions, as demonstrated in many parts of the world. That's why Singapore did force integration such as its housing experiment to avoid these problems.
Singapore is more diverse than 4 cultural main groups, and 4 in 10 people in Singapore are foreigners. They either study or work there. I found it just as diverse as many Western Cities are. There are even 2 active Jewish places of worship there and Anti Semitism does not exist there. You don't have to be a rich crazy Asian to live in Singapore: Here is an example of a Jewish family that lives there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYkHiCtdeY The mother of the woman of her children will not allow her children wear a kippah in Europe due to her belief that Antisemitism exists there, but she allows them to wear them in Singapore as there is no harassment of Jews there.
Also, there are many thousands of Americans (over 20 000) and British (around 30 000 ish), and other Westerners that live there. You can find Africans live there, and people from just about every nation too. As long as you have the skills and qualifications and law abiding, people from nearly any country can move to Singapore.
Yet what Singapore stands out is it is among the most religiously diverse countries in the planet. I don't see any other Western nation as religiously diverse as Singapore
I already did, and Singapore has a higher percentage of Muslims than any Australian city, yet they have not had one Islamist terrorist attack. Also, Singapore has no tolerance for radical Islamic preachers and that has been longer than what the West has. Paris and London have a similar percentage of Muslims as Singapore. So what Singapore is doing on striving to maintain on racial and religious harmony seems more workable than the West, where ethnic and religious ghettos do not exist in Singapore and they do in some cities in the West.
Segregated communities no matter, if it is a dominant culture or a minority culture of a nation, brings in major social and or racial tensions, as demonstrated in many parts of the world. That's why Singapore did force integration such as its housing experiment to avoid these problems.
Singapore is more diverse than 4 cultural main groups, and 4 in 10 people in Singapore are foreigners. They either study or work there. I found it just as diverse as many Western Cities are. There are even 2 active Jewish places of worship there and Anti Semitism does not exist there. You don't have to be a rich crazy Asian to live in Singapore: Here is an example of a Jewish family that lives there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYkHiCtdeY The mother of the woman of her children will not allow her children wear a kippah in Europe due to her belief that Antisemitism exists there, but she allows them to wear them in Singapore as there is no harassment of Jews there.
Also, there are many thousands of Americans (over 20 000) and British (around 30 000 ish), and other Westerners that live there. You can find Africans live there, and people from just about every nation too. As long as you have the skills and qualifications and law abiding, people from nearly any country can move to Singapore.
Yet what Singapore stands out is it is among the most religiously diverse countries in the planet. I don't see any other Western nation as religiously diverse as Singapore
The issue is that in American terms, you don't have 1st Amendment rights, there's no real independent media in Singapore, you don't really have free speech as the west knows it, you don't really have freedom of religion as the west knows it (it curtails certain aspects of religions).
You don't have 4th Amendment rights, or really any presumption of privacy (see being naked at home is by law pornography and may be considered criminal).
You don't have the same 5th Amendnent rights either.
You dont have the same 6th Amendment rights or 8th Amendment rights.
Let's not forget homosexuality in men is criminal. Further maybe it still is, or maybe it recently changed, but heterosexual oral and anal sex was criminal.
Oh, and you can't rent or buy in certain neighborhoods when there's too high a demographic concentration of your demographics.
You'd need to completely change the culture, law and expectations of most western governments to achieve Singapore style "cultural coexistence"
Yet Trump and there are posters here state there are no go areas in places such as London and Paris due to the number of Muslims. How do you explain that since Singapore has a similar proportion of Muslims there?
That's pretty easy to answer. Singapore has a pretty well known 0 tolerance policy when it comes to crime regardless of who commits the offense. Not just a threat of punishment, but an absolute, no maybe, you will be held accountable, system.
Add to the above that Singapore doesn't play the us against them crap, nor do they cut slack just because the offender is a Muslim.
I like Singapore. We can learn a few things from them. Like how to keep a city clean. How to keep it safe. For those who don't like the punishments for breaking laws, the same laws pretty much everyone else has, just don't break the law. Don't smuggle drugs. Don't vandalize other people's property. Don't commit rape. Don't steal. It's really pretty basic logic.
I already did, and Singapore has a higher percentage of Muslims than any Australian city, yet they have not had one Islamist terrorist attack. Also, Singapore has no tolerance for radical Islamic preachers and that has been longer than what the West has. Paris and London have a similar percentage of Muslims as Singapore. So what Singapore is doing on striving to maintain on racial and religious harmony seems more workable than the West, where ethnic and religious ghettos do not exist in Singapore and they do in some cities in the West.
Segregated communities no matter, if it is a dominant culture or a minority culture of a nation, brings in major social and or racial tensions, as demonstrated in many parts of the world. That's why Singapore did force integration such as its housing experiment to avoid these problems.
Singapore is more diverse than 4 cultural main groups, and 4 in 10 people in Singapore are foreigners. They either study or work there. I found it just as diverse as many Western Cities are. There are even 2 active Jewish places of worship there and Anti Semitism does not exist there. You don't have to be a rich crazy Asian to live in Singapore: Here is an example of a Jewish family that lives there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYkHiCtdeY The mother of the woman of her children will not allow her children wear a kippah in Europe due to her belief that Antisemitism exists there, but she allows them to wear them in Singapore as there is no harassment of Jews there.
Also, there are many thousands of Americans (over 20 000) and British (around 30 000 ish), and other Westerners that live there. You can find Africans live there, and people from just about every nation too. As long as you have the skills and qualifications and law abiding, people from nearly any country can move to Singapore.
Yet what Singapore stands out is it is among the most religiously diverse countries in the planet. I don't see any other Western nation as religiously diverse as Singapore
So basically just controlling where people live. That’s the answer to racial harmony? i guess it’s possible under their system of government and tiny population. I’m interested to know if you think the strict enforcement of law could have something to do with it.
Can you tell me what made Singapore not experience the same problems with Islamic radicals as Paris and London and to this day there are no terrorist incidents in Singapore?
Singapore is not perfect but there are good aspects of that society where the West can learn from.
Everywhere in the world you have a vibrant economy and high living standards, you have an active and big government. The opposite of what Republicans believe.
I don't think Singapore is "better" or "worse" than western countries, just different, and different in a successful way...for them. What could we learn from them? Maybe for starters, some tolerance for people who worship a different deity from most of us, have different skin colors, or different customs. A lot of us Americans, probably a majority, are pretty much already there, but you couldn't tell it from the majority of posters on this thread. However, the first group is growing and will keep growing, while the second will shrink.
I think the extreme reaction of some of the second group reflects a fear that someday soon, more Americans will become more tolerant and accepting, and there will be a tipping point. From there, there will be more intermarriages, more crossing of cultural lines in all directions, and more cafe au lait-colored colored children. The tipping point may already have come. That's the thing about tipping points-- you often don't know they've tipped until you look around and realize the tip has occurred.
That doesn't bother me a bit. Too much of "my" white, Southern, nominally Christian "heritage" is utterly uninteresting to me. I've got Mississippi/Alabama/Kentucky hillbillies and rednecks on my father's side (including several Confederate soldiers, a couple of felons, and a couple of slave owners) and an unknown mystery on my mother's side; she was undoubtedly illegitimate and was adopted by the most wonderful grandparents anyone could hope to have, south Texas small-town grocers who bought their cattle ranch 5 acres at a time, about 600 times. My grandmother was Irish by heritage, my grandfather German, both born of immigrant parents. Nothing to be ashamed of, but nothing to worry about regarding the dilution of "my" heritage.
I can't afford to live in Singapore, but I'm working on Mme. Cyrano to consider spending half a year in Penang, Malaysia, another place I fell in love with when working over there. It has a similar multicultural aspect (both it and Singapore were overseas Chinese trading ports before the Brits took them both over). Like Singapore, English is the common language of the significant Chinese, Malay, and Indian populations there, many of the streets still have English names, and it's even divided into two areas, named George Town and Butterworth.
And good internet, too, so I could continue to annoy you guys from there.
I don't think Singapore is "better" or "worse" than western countries, just different, and different in a successful way...for them. What could we learn from them? Maybe for starters, some tolerance for people who worship a different deity from most of us, have different skin colors, or different customs. A lot of us Americans, probably a majority, are pretty much already there, but you couldn't tell it from the majority of posters on this thread. However, the first group is growing and will keep growing, while the second will shrink.
I think the extreme reaction of some of the second group reflects a fear that someday soon, more Americans will become more tolerant and accepting, and there will be a tipping point. From there, there will be more intermarriages, more crossing of cultural lines in all directions, and more cafe au lait-colored colored children. The tipping point may already have come. That's the thing about tipping points-- you often don't know they've tipped until you look around and realize the tip has occurred.
That doesn't bother me a bit. Too much of "my" white, Southern, nominally Christian "heritage" is utterly uninteresting to me. I've got Mississippi/Alabama/Kentucky hillbillies and rednecks on my father's side (including several Confederate soldiers, a couple of felons, and a couple of slave owners) and an unknown mystery on my mother's side; she was undoubtedly illegitimate and was adopted by the most wonderful grandparents anyone could hope to have, south Texas small-town grocers who bought their cattle ranch 5 acres at a time, about 600 times. My grandmother was Irish by heritage, my grandfather German, both born of immigrant parents. Nothing to be ashamed of, but nothing to worry about regarding the dilution of "my" heritage.
I can't afford to live in Singapore, but I'm working on Mme. Cyrano to consider spending half a year in Penang, Malaysia, another place I fell in love with when working over there. It has a similar multicultural aspect (both it and Singapore were overseas Chinese trading ports before the Brits took them both over). Like Singapore, English is the common language of the significant Chinese, Malay, and Indian populations there, many of the streets still have English names, and it's even divided into two areas, named George Town and Butterworth.
And good internet, too, so I could continue to annoy you guys from there.
I don't wish us to all look alike in skin tone. I like the differences between them. Looking all alike would bore me. I don't wish to see any racial skin tones and looks diluted to the point that we all look alike but I don't want to live in a society where my native culture is diluted to the point where I don't feel at home anymore either.
For the fifty years of its existence, Singapore has witnessed very few instances of inter-racial tensions and certainly no major terrorist threat. According to the government census, there are currently 74.3% Chinese, 13.3% Malays, 9.1% Indians, and 3.3% “Others”. Furthermore, according to a recent survey, more than 90% of Singaporeans are comfortable with having people of other races and religions as neighbors or colleagues. In an interview for International Herald Tribune, Singapore’s founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, lectured the US on social cohesion and equality, attributing his country’s economic success to the racial harmony in the society.https://www.historycampus.org/2016/c...ticulturalism/
At least 80% of residents in Singapore live in public housing and according to Singapore law, all public housing buildings must have a mixture of nationalities. Ethnically segregated neighborhoods is illegal there.
The percentage of Muslims in Singapore is similar in numbers as the great cities of Paris and London, yet there has not been a major terrorist attack or threat there.
The Western World can learn a lot from Singapore.
Chinese and Malays? Aren’t they both East Asians?
That is like saying Fargo, North Dakota is a melting pot because most people there have Norwegian and German ancestors. Also, Singapore has Draconian law. Don’t go there if you like to smoke marijuana or a gay person.
Want a real melting pot? Go to NYC, LA, London, or Paris.
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