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"If the evidence continues to show that Iran was behind this -- that it does constitute what Secretary Pompeo calls an act of war against Saudi Arabia. I think it is going to demand some kind of response, hopefully that the United States and Saudi Arabia can agree on," Panetta told FOX Business Network anchor Maria Bartiromo.
"With regards to the military option, the problem, as we all know, is that at any time there’s a military strike against Iran -- just based on my own experience as secretary of Defense -- it was pretty clear that the Iranians would respond to that kind of strike by attacking our forces in the region," he said. "So we could -- we could see a war. And I -- I don’t think either the United States or Saudi Arabia wants to get into another Middle Eastern war."
Of course President Trump has already responded with increased sanctions against Iran and Secretary of State Pompeo is in Saudi Arabia working this situation even as we speak. But unless they want a war - and perhaps at some level they do - they need to think all of this through and be smart about whatever additional actions they decide to pursue.
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta (D-CA) says that the attack on Saudia Arabia is "going to demand some sort of response".
Of course President Trump has already responded with increased sanctions against Iran and Secretary of State Pompeo is in Saudi Arabia working this situation even as we speak. But unless they want a war - and perhaps at some level they do - they need to think all of this through and be smart about whatever additional actions they decide to pursue.
The Sunni-Shiite war has been going on since Muhammad died. That's what the Iran-Iraq war was about. This is merely a different front of that same war.
The US would do better to be even less involved in this war than the country was involved in the Iran-Iraq war. And the Saudis are no better than Saddam Hussein.
It's been 46 years since the OPEC oil embargo, and the country is still being led by the nose by the oil barons. By even some of the very same individuals.
So basically the u.s. wants it to be Iran, so therefore it is.
"The Houthis said they had launched the aerial attacks with 10 drones, which would amount to their most audacious strike on Saudi Arabia since the kingdom intervened in Yemen’s war more than four years ago. The Saudi-led bombing campaign has devastated the impoverished country and exacerbated the world’s worst humanitarian crisis."
There's no question that the weapons were Iranian. Iran has supplied weapons to the Houthi for years. The question is whether they were launched from Iran or Yemen.
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta (D-CA) says that the attack on Saudia Arabia is "going to demand some sort of response".
Of course President Trump has already responded with increased sanctions against Iran and Secretary of State Pompeo is in Saudi Arabia working this situation even as we speak. But unless they want a war - and perhaps at some level they do - they need to think all of this through and be smart about whatever additional actions they decide to pursue.
These increased sanctions seem very mysterious. No one, including presumably the Iranians, appears to be aware of them. Or have I missed an announcement describing exactly what they are?
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta (D-CA) says that the attack on Saudia Arabia is "going to demand some sort of response".
Of course President Trump has already responded with increased sanctions against Iran and Secretary of State Pompeo is in Saudi Arabia working this situation even as we speak. But unless they want a war - and perhaps at some level they do - they need to think all of this through and be smart about whatever additional actions they decide to pursue.
Why take any action at all? What business is it of ours?
We are acting like it is an affront to our country. Well, it's not. It's between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Wahhabist Muslim Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Why isn't France saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why isn't Thailand saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why isn't Brazil saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why isn't Lithuania saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why us?!? What the hell has this to do with us? Why do we in the USA have to take umbrage at what Shiites are doing to Sunnis half way around the world or vice versa?
Why take any action at all? What business is it of ours?
We are acting like it is an affront to our country. Well, it's not. It's between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Wahhabist Muslim Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Why isn't France saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why isn't Thailand saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why isn't Brazil saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why isn't Lithuania saying it's "going to demand some sort of response"?
Why us?!? What the hell has this to do with us? Why do we in the USA have to take umbrage at what Shiites are doing to Sunnis half way around the world or vice versa?
What makes you think that they are not saying that? Each and every one.
But it does not follow that it has to be us that makes this response. Probably the burden should fall on the Saudi's, as they assuredly will agree.
In Nebraska, where I was at the time, I was checking the calendar for several weeks, even driving a tiny Datsun.
There was odd-even for about one month per shortage. The lines were pretty much ended by odd-even.
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Not really. Nixon and Carter caused oil to skyrocket because of the Rube Goldberg price control mechanism. It incentivized importing and discouraged domestic exploration. Reagan's decontrol almost instantaneously caused a major, prolonged drop in prices that has continued, with pauses, to this day.
The embargo began and ended when OPEC decided. Carter at least promoted energy efficiency and independence, Reagan did away with all those programs.
There was nothing about price controls that encouraged efficiency or economy. And they were ineffective in holding down prices.
According to Trump we are all but independent of foreign oil now. So why is the price of gas sky rocketing?
The increase from right after the missile strike has melted away in my neck of the woods. To the extent it happened. The spot market rose $0.17, Costco rose $0.04, and then dropped back. Other stations, with bigger margins, did not budge one way or the other.
'Cause she was the only other person who was ever in the car with me.
I'm talking about my area. But wrack your brains and you'll remember. Or check out old news clippings. Our area and California had the worst shortages both times.
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What the hell has this to do with us? Why do we in the USA have to take umbrage at what Shiites are doing to Sunnis half way around the world or vice versa?
