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Come now, let's not a trivial thing like facts get in the way of a good rant.
How would this legislation have prevented any of the recent mass shootings? I don't think folks intending on mass murder care too much about lying on a background check, be it illegal or no.
It would not matter whether they care or not if in prison for felony lying on their 4473 form. If they're in prison (or a mental health institution), they are unlikely to commit any mass shootings.
I agree; Grassley's bill is not much, but it's a start. OP was complaining that Democrats were blocking it, but GOP runs the Senate, the bill has not been brought forward to the full Senate for a vote yet, and won't go to the House until it passes Senate, so how can you blame democrats at this point? If Mitch McConnell wanted this bill passed it would have done so by now.
McConnell's position is that he won't spend time on proposals that have no chance of getting passed and signed into law. Which makes perfect sense.
From searching around, I can't find any comment from Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, or other Democratic leaders on the Grassley-Cruz gun control proposal. But Grassley and Cruz made a similar proposal in 2013 that was rejected in the Senate. Here is the roll call vote: https://projects.propublica.org/repr...13/senate/1/98
Note the letter beside ALL of the senators who opposed this commonsense gun control proposal. They are ALL 'D' except for 2 (Mike Lee of Utah and Mark Kirk of IL). There was a tiny handful of bi-partisan support, but not enough. BTW, McConnell was a 'yes' vote in favor of this gun control proposal.
Why?????? And why the seeming need to make excuses for the Democrats on this? Let's get this thing passed!!
This proposal, according to Cruz, might have stopped the recent mass-shooting in Odessa, TX. The shooter first tried to buy a gun at a licensed dealer, and almost certainly lied on his federal application form (form 4473). That's a felony, but one that is almost never prosecuted. According to this, such cases are even considered for prosecution only about at a .04 percent rate. In other words, only 4 cases in 10,000 that are even looked at!
With the backing of Cruz and Grassley, the bill to ramp up prosecutions would presumably be able to pass the Senate, but the House refuses to take it up. Why???
Unfortunately these laws need to be enacted at the state level so county prosecutors can charge, no way US Attorneys will take these small cases, the Federal system isn’t set up that way.
What did Democrats do? They passed the Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019. It passed the House in February. It was placed on the Senate calendar in March. Where is it now? Still sitting on the Senate calendar*. The Republican-led Senate has not so much as conducted a hearing on this bill (which by the way is favored by 89% of the public) in 6 months. Now who is doing the obstructing?
*on govinfo.gov, you can see the Senate calendar which includes a section called "General Orders", which is sort of a queue of bills that have been introduced but no date set for action. There are 181 bills on that list.
And they won't enforce it. The original BG check has had over 80,000 people caught lying on it. Less than 1% were prosecuted. Biden was asked about that when he was VP and said they did not have the resources.
Basically, what Cruz has done it brought to light how gun laws aren't worth anything if they aren't enforced. I would like to see his idea go live, and also, let's see if the Democrats can get all the illegally owned guns off the street first!
And they won't enforce it. The original BG check has had over 80,000 people caught lying on it. Less than 1% were prosecuted. Biden was asked about that when he was VP and said they did not have the resources.
If they don't have the resources to enforce a background check law, why have a background check law?
And if they don't have the resources to enforce this, how are they going to enforce confiscation of AR-15s?
Why introduce new legislation? Why not go to conference? Unless, this is all about credit. So, what Speaker Pelosi do by forcing through new legislation? Try to still the stage. That is all.
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Originally Posted by Leo58
What did Democrats do? They passed the Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019. It passed the House in February. It was placed on the Senate calendar in March. Where is it now? Still sitting on the Senate calendar*. The Republican-led Senate has not so much as conducted a hearing on this bill (which by the way is favored by 89% of the public) in 6 months. Now who is doing the obstructing?
*on govinfo.gov, you can see the Senate calendar which includes a section called "General Orders", which is sort of a queue of bills that have been introduced but no date set for action. There are 181 bills on that list.
Not only is there no enforced Penalty for lies ( or Lack of Candor for the Special folks) on a Federal Background Check ... but if the FBI fails to complete the Background Check within 3 days ... Law says the purchase can go through.
We are dealing with poorly written Laws with no teeth that even the investigators don’t follow through on. Remember Nick Cruz in Florida? The FBI was warned that he was going to shoot up that school and the Feds pitched the warning in the trash can.
What is the use of passing Laws, when the ones we have are ignored.
Any new Gun Laws by the Democrats are for exactly what Beto says.
“Hell Yes, we are going to TAKE your guns”.
Special People, Illegals, Radical Leftists & Felons exempted of course.
Not only is there no enforced Penalty for lies ( or Lack of Candor for the Special folks) on a Federal Background Check ... but if the FBI fails to complete the Background Check within 3 days ... Law says the purchase can go through.
We are dealing with poorly written Laws with no teeth that even the investigators don’t follow through on. Remember Nick Cruz in Florida? The FBI was warned that he was going to shoot up that school and the Feds pitched the warning in the trash can.
What is the use of passing Laws, when the ones we have are ignored.
Any new Gun Laws by the Democrats are for exactly what Beto says.
“Hell Yes, we are going to TAKE your guns”.
Special People, Illegals, Radical Leftists & Felons exempted of course.
The 72 hour waiting period is a prime candidate for change, Dylan Roof may not have purchased a gun if that were extended. Many states have longer waiting periods, NYS has a 30 day waiting period.
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