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Old 09-20-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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It’s not capitalism once you employ violence such as government. Regulation is violence which is no longer capitalism. You do understand what regulation is, right? Regulation is slavery where the government puts a gun on everyone’s head and force them to do certain things rather than simply punish those who do harm to others.

Is forcing workers to work still free trade? Free trade means trade under their free will. Again, property right and free trade are not evil. Nowhere it says that it’s OK to harm other people.
Capitalism is a property theory, not a form of government. Capitalism can and does exist under all forms of government, from dictatorships to democracies.

Capitalism without regulation ultimately does not work, and will fail just as history is littered with examples of failed capitalist governments. Capitalism without regulation is essentially like modern drug cartels, no rules operations up to killing the competition.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Capitalism is a property theory, not a form of government. Capitalism can and does exist under all forms of government, from dictatorships to democracies.

Capitalism without regulation ultimately does not work, and will fail just as history is littered with examples of failed capitalist governments. Capitalism without regulation is essentially like modern drug cartels, no rules operations up to killing the competition.
+1 for government schools.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Social security
No it is not communism. You PAY INTO Social Security. It is a FORCED retirement plan. You pay into Medicare. It is a forced medical insurance plan. Not communism, but it is government social engineering. However, it doesn't really oppress anyone. The unstated purpose of Communism it Totalitarian Oppression, and the rule of the elite few, and their connected minions.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:45 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Which part of capitalism is evil? Property right or free trade?
Both of which can be evil. For 80 years of American history black people were legally considered a white individuals personal property. That is evil

By the way what part of the Antebellum South was not purely Capitalist? Antebellum South was about as evil as a society could get.

Exploiting poor and desperate people to make shoes for a pennies on the dollar then selling such shoes for 100 times their manufacturing costs, meanwhile the person laboring to makes the shoe can barely afford to feed their own family. That is evil.

Creating a drug to relieve peoples pain but purposely making it highly addictive knowing full well some people are going to get addicted to it and ruin their lives. That is evil.

Destroying the environment so that you can make money. That is evil.

There is a lot about capitalism that is absolutely evil.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:46 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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No it is not communism. You PAY INTO Social Security. It is a FORCED retirement plan. You pay into Medicare. It is a forced medical insurance plan. Not communism, but it is government social engineering. However, it doesn't really oppress anyone. The unstated purpose of Communism it Totalitarian Oppression, and the rule of the elite few, and their connected minions.
If you think the purpose of Communism it totalitarian oppression then you don't know anything about Communism.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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If you think the purpose of Communism it totalitarian oppression then you don't know anything about Communism.
I said the UNSTATED purpose of communism it totalitarian oppression. You dishonestly omitted that. If you don't realize that then you have no grasp of reality. What happened in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Cambodia and anywhere else Communism has been inserted?

But keep wearing your Che Guevara shirt.
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Old 09-20-2019, 01:02 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I said the UNSTATED purpose of communism it totalitarian oppression. You dishonestly omitted that. If you don't realize that then you have no grasp of reality. What happened in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Cambodia and anywhere else Communism has been inserted?

But keep wearing your Che Guevara shirt.
In many cases communism has been hijacked by dictators. But that doesn't mean at all that they implement what Marx had in mind.
Nor is totalitarian oppression exclusive to communist regimes, think of some of those right-wing dictatorships in Africa. Or the military juntas in Latin America up until a couple of decades ago. Or the Republic of China and Japan in Asia. And most European countries also had their right-wing dictatorships.
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Old 09-20-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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Capitalism needs as much violence as communism. War of Vietnam, dictatorship and coups in Latin America, genocide in Indonesia are only a few examples.

You are polluting an intelligent discussion.

Marxism still appeals to the masses because it questions exploitation of workers by the upper class. That it grossly failed doesn't change the increasing grievances of the majority.
Which part of private ownership of properties and free trade requires violence to IMPLEMENT?
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Old 09-20-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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Which part of private ownership of properties and free trade requires violence to IMPLEMENT?
The part where people dare to disagree then the violence of capitalism starts. When a poorer country that has a lower education, technology and capital is forced to "compete" with richer countries in the "free" market. Pressures, sanctions and wars follows.

I support private property, but there are good arguments people make about education and health with respect to the community, that is to serve people for the sake of education and health rather than maximaxing profits.

I hope you don't have any more loaded question.
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Old 09-20-2019, 02:24 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Which part of private ownership of properties and free trade requires violence to IMPLEMENT?
Both private ownership and free trade should be limited.
Piling up wealth is totally unnatural. In nature, when one animal piles up, say, food, others will increasingly take it away from it. Nor is there inheritance of wealth in nature.
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