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The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
First of all, a communist country could not have a dictator. They are two entirely different things. There has never been a communist country.
The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
It appealed to those who had nothing and watched their loved ones die for lack of food. The Vietnamese got a nasty taste of Capitalism under the French and it offered them nothing but more misery. The Russian monarchy wasn`t exactly a people friendly dynasty either.
The very concept goes against the very nature of humans.
And what nature is that?
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We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work?
You obviously don't know much about Communism or Marxism since neither called for "equality" in the sense that you are thinking. What Communist wanted was equality of power, through ownership of the means of production. They were not egalitarians contrary to popular belief.
The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
There was not the track record we have now. One could excuse those in Russia and China for believing the BS of Marx, as the failures of the system and genocide had not occurred on a massive scale.
One cannot excuse the modern liberal, who has the luxury of history to observe, and still embraces Marxism due to ignorance.
The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
Yeah, why couldn't the Russian serfs just be happy with their lot? Buncha whiners.
You're arguing that the smart people become successful when we have endless evidence that isn't the case. Financial success stems from an ability to manipulate, find opportunity, and ruthlessness, I'd argue. Being smart has little to do with it.
I tend to agree here, the proudly-independent "anarchy with a constable" society lionized by the libertarian movement is not in synch with today's "Koroprate" culture -- and the "organization (wo)men" it produces in droves. The handful of true rebels can side-step into academia or use their better understanding of the markets to financially defend themselves -- though they're not likely to get too far in the "anthill" or "henhouse" cultures that characterize life in most of the "consumerist" world -- even less so if hindered by a strong conscience.
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Marx's and Lenin's communism was primarily reactionary to capitalism and an ossified royalty that enforced a stifling classism.
Bingo. Late-19th century capitalism was exactly as horrifying and destructive as Marx described it - his analysis is spot-on, in fact. His suggested solution is not. However, it influenced a lot of positive gradual changes in societies that didn't undergo a destructive revolution. For instance, it was the menace of socialism that had Bismarck push for health insurance and old-age pensions in Germany.
It doesn't have to be a violent overthrow of the ruling class. The ruling class could be voted out of office in 2020 and replaced with democratic socialists. They could vote to amend the Constitution to weaken property rights. It doesn't need to be authoritarian. Just a flavor of democratic socialism where the state controls a substantial part of the means of production. If your high wage job just moved to China or Mexico, I doubt you'd object to nationalizing your former employer to reverse the job flow.
Democratic Socialism like we have here in Scandinavia? Where the state DONT control the means of production but are highly capitalistic and measurably the best countries to live in, year after year after year...?
But good luck getting them to amend the constitution. Republicans have basically ruled the US for 10 years now, and have still not been able to amend it to their liking.
Communism was the only way out of total slavery for the working classes.
The Capitalists, where hoarding all the gains made by automation, and where not giving workers anything back. Farmes where just serfs owned by the landowners etc...
AFTER the Russian revolt, Democratic countries where actually scared into giving regular workers more rights, better salary, the weekend, healthcare, pensions, schooling, etc etc just to stop the growth of communism in their own countries.
And created the greatest middle class ever seen, where regular people got access to the profits of mass production and thrived and thrived and thrived.
The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
Communism does not make sense now but it did to a lot of people in the 19th century and parts of the 20th. People can treat each other like absolute dirt, in horrible ways and communism promised to fix that.
If you really want to understand I suggest reading some history. If you are just trying to start a political argument, well have at it but count me out. I hate communism but I understand how it fit into human history.
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