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Old 09-18-2019, 03:42 PM
 
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Click your heels together three times and wish real hard.

That has a better chance of working than any action by the government.

There is no capability to do it and there is no support to attempt to develop such a capability.

The choices are legalization or live with the problem...and it will likely grow.
WRONG.

Cut off ALL welfare.

If they're treated in an ER, send them back.

If they are arrested for anything, deport them.

Have public schools require proof of citizenship or work visa for student's legal guardian.

They will self deport.

People who want open borders refuse to do common sense things.
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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DACA could easily be delivered if the Dems would agree to the wall and immigration reform. The truth is the Dems want to continue this argument, using the so-called Dreamers as a pawn. They don't want immigration reform or a wall because their constant stream of eventual voters would stop coming.
Trump already offered the Dems, DACA if they would support building the wall and they refused. I don't know what "reform" was on the table as we all know that reform is just a code word for amnesty. The Dems want it all their way or the highway. Ain't gonna happen and rightly so!

Legalization is what will cause the problem to grow just like back in 1986. Just as long as we keep rewarding those who violate our immigration laws they will continue to keep coming for the next amnesty. It's already been proven.
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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Trump already offered the Dems, DACA if they would support building the wall and they refused. I don't know what "reform" was on the table as we all know that reform is just a code word for amnesty. The Dems want it all their way or the highway. Ain't gonna happen and rightly so!
The DNC wants open borders, nothing less will do.
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I knew it! So the law breaking parents of the DACA's should be able to stay to? Just another massive amnesty like in 1986 which produced the 4 times as many illegals that we have today. When do these amnesties end? Whom among their parents at the very least hasn't committed felony ID theft or tax evasion? Last I looked those are criminal offenses. Oh well, that eliminates their parents then, doesn't it?

Illegal immigration will not continue to grow if we secure our border, implement e-verify and deny birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits to them. Many will leave with no means to support themselves and far fewer will continue to come here.
Dream on. There is no way to deport the 10 million. The existing capability is barely enough to keep it from growing. EVerify would be a good thing but note it does not force the illegal out. It simply forces them to the black market which is a bad thing. Yes some will leave. Likely the ones who had good employment who are probably the ones you would prefer to keep. But the dregs are already mostly off the books and the rest of the low end will take the same path.

The majority of the new arrivals are coming in legally and overstaying. Tightening the border does nothing about them. So at best you take care of some small part of 40% of the problem.

Redoing birth right citizenship might well be useful but it will prove most difficult to implement. Exactly what do we do instead? And how do we find an alternative that will have the kind of support needed for a Constitutional Amendment?
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:51 PM
 
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Dream on. There is no way to deport the 10 million. The existing capability is barely enough to keep it from growing. EVerify would be a good thing but note it does not force the illegal out. It simply forces them to the black market which is a bad thing. Yes some will leave. Likely the ones who had good employment who are probably the ones you would prefer to keep. But the dregs are already mostly off the books and the rest of the low end will take the same path.

The majority of the new arrivals are coming in legally and overstaying. Tightening the border does nothing about them. So at best you take care of some small part of 40% of the problem.

Redoing birth right citizenship might well be useful but it will prove most difficult to implement. Exactly what do we do instead? And how do we find an alternative that will have the kind of support needed for a Constitutional Amendment?
They will self deport if we follow existing law and cut off freebies.

Most liberals want open borders.
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The DNC wants open borders, nothing less will do.
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They will self deport if we follow existing law and cut off freebies.

Most liberals want open borders.

Absolutely untrue. Do people really enjoy repeating absolute fabrications?

The existing laws are not even capable of preventing growth anymore substantial reducing the illegal population. Take a good look at the last 40 years.

There are no freebies to speak of. They are for the jobs which are not freebies.
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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Absolutely untrue. Do people really enjoy repeating absolute fabrications?
It's the absolute truth.

Sanctuary cities and states refuse to honor ICE holds of people arrested for breaking laws that have nothing to do with immigration.

In LA, if an illegal is arrested for breaking into a car, and ICE wants the LA sheriff's department to hold them so ICE can pick them up to begin deportation, LA DEMOCRAT politicians would rather a criminal remain in LA than have that criminal deported.

You seriously don't believe they don't want open borders when they won't even cooperate in having thiefs deported?

The DNC wants open borders. FACT
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:58 PM
 
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Dream on. There is no way to deport the 10 million. The existing capability is barely enough to keep it from growing. EVerify would be a good thing but note it does not force the illegal out. It simply forces them to the black market which is a bad thing. Yes some will leave. Likely the ones who had good employment who are probably the ones you would prefer to keep. But the dregs are already mostly off the books and the rest of the low end will take the same path.

The majority of the new arrivals are coming in legally and overstaying. Tightening the border does nothing about them. So at best you take care of some small part of 40% of the problem.

Redoing birth right citizenship might well be useful but it will prove most difficult to implement. Exactly what do we do instead? And how do we find an alternative that will have the kind of support needed for a Constitutional Amendment?
Yes you can deport 10 million. Eisenhower has shown the way.
Those that overstay, hunt them down and summarily eject them.

Follow existing black letter law. No need for reform.
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Old 09-18-2019, 04:02 PM
 
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Absolutely untrue. Do people really enjoy repeating absolute fabrications?

The existing laws are not even capable of preventing growth anymore substantial reducing the illegal population. Take a good look at the last 40 years.

There are no freebies to speak of. They are for the jobs which are not freebies.
No freebies? Lol

Two immediate examples: they are eligible for emergency medicaid as well as WIC.
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Old 09-18-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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No freebies? Lol

Two immediate examples: they are eligible for emergency medicaid as well as WIC.
I find it hysterical that liberals say social security is running out for those that paid into it yet welfare never runs out for deadbeats.
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