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Old 09-18-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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So you now admit there is no US law definition of "illegal alien"?

You have shown nothing other than a link to a law that does not mention "illegal alien".
I admit nothing.

Show me your proof. You claim mine is untrue, your turn, prove it.

Hint I used to be a Immigration Inspector before going to work for the railroad.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I admit nothing.

Show me your proof. You claim mine is untrue, your turn, prove it.

Hint I used to be a Immigration Inspector before going to work for the railroad.
You may well be what is wrong with the Immigration system.

You have made a number of assertions about who is an illegal alien.

That of course is all BS. You may well know this but you continue to use it so those who know no better believe there is some truth.

In fact illegal alien is not a term used in US law and the examples where it appears are in a context where it applies to much narrow range of individuals than those brought across the border as children.

So you were asked to show a legal definition of the term you were throwing around so loosely.

And you failed as it does not exist.

Now you try and change the subject rather than admit your failure.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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I quote US law. You quote a biased site that plays games with terms. An illegal alien is a person who entered illegally.
Here's a good link.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration...gnores-the-law
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Nope. Another misdirection.

Please cite the US law definition of "illegal alien"

You will not of course as there appears to be none.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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You may well be what is wrong with the Immigration system.

You have made a number of assertions about who is an illegal alien.

That of course is all BS. You may well know this but you continue to use it so those who know no better believe there is some truth.

In fact illegal alien is not a term used in US law and the examples where it appears are in a context where it applies to much narrow range of individuals than those brought across the border as children.

So you were asked to show a legal definition of the term you were throwing around so loosely.

And you failed as it does not exist.

Now you try and change the subject rather than admit your failure.
Yes I did. Your failure to show what you are talking about means you don’t know anything.

8 USC 1182. 212(a)(7)(B)(i)(I) of the INA. look it up.

And now you deflect over language. I proved my point that DACA are not here legally, have not been admitted legally and have no status.

So quit the deflection over the language.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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Nope. Another misdirection.

Please cite the US law definition of "illegal alien"

You will not of course as there appears to be none.

Please cite the US law definition of "undocumented immigrant". Alien is a term used throughout immigration law and one who is not in compliance with the law is inherently illegal.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:46 PM
 
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DACA migrants, by definition, aren't undocumented. And undocumented immigrants can't get welfare.

So this entire thread is a 100% lie. "I love the uneducated".
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Old 09-18-2019, 09:04 PM
 
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Please cite the US law definition of "undocumented immigrant". Alien is a term used throughout immigration law and one who is not in compliance with the law is inherently illegal.
Alien is a perfectly reasonable and accepted term. I know of no legal definition of "undocumented immigrant". So it is in the same class as "illegal alien". It has no legal meaning.

the point is that DACA recipients are not illegal aliens. They certainly are aliens and at some point might again become illegal. But at this point those who are DACA recipients are not illegal.

Some have trouble understanding this but it is reasonably clear.
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Old 09-18-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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Alien is a perfectly reasonable and accepted term. I know of no legal definition of "undocumented immigrant". So it is in the same class as "illegal alien". It has no legal meaning.

the point is that DACA recipients are not illegal aliens. They certainly are aliens and at some point might again become illegal. But at this point those who are DACA recipients are not illegal.

Some have trouble understanding this but it is reasonably clear.
8 USC 1182.

You have issues relating to law. DACA are present in the US with no status. They are undocumented and they crossed the border illegally.

Once the program is eliminated then the force of law will be applied and they can be removed without a hearing. Period.
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Old 09-18-2019, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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8 USC 1182.

You have issues relating to law. DACA are present in the US with no status. They are undocumented and they crossed the border illegally.

Once the program is eliminated then the force of law will be applied and they can be removed without a hearing. Period.
They of course have legal status as long as they are DACA recipients. Fact of life. And they can likely continue to receive DACA status perhaps forever or until they receive a path to citizenship.

And the Dreamers are likely the last group of those in the country illegally who we remove. Perhaps after the over stayers and the short term residents. But most likely never.
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