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"Public charge" was first raised in the late 1800's. in 1999, and unchanged by the Bush Administration, it was defined to mean a long-term/life-long public charge.
Now, we want to allow government officials to prognosticate the likelihood that someone MAY need assistance for any 12 months in a 3 year period?
Just make it so they're ineligible for any benefits until they've become full citizens. And then they are of course treated like every other citizen.
We're GOING to have a path for Dreamers. May as well have it as well-defined and with limited benefits until citizenship as possible. And deport their illegal parents.
Nope, law abiding Americans are going to revolt if these DACAs are given a path to citizenship. They've done nothing to deserve it and it rewards their parents for bringing them here illegally. They need to go back home with their law breaking parents and follow the legal path to come back after they wait their turn in line.
Why would they want to remain here while their parents are deported? They think so little of their parents to want to be separated from them?
DEPORT NOW. These ingrates have shown that they don't deserve to be here, regardless of whether they came as children or not.
End all welfare now. Its immoral, its socialism and your govt cant administer the redistribution schemes without incompetence or malfeasance running them bankrupt.
Too bad the R's love the schemes as much as the D's do and so the best we can hope for is the two teams arguing over the details of who to throw the stolen loot at.
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End all welfare now. Its immoral, its socialism and your govt cant administer the redistribution schemes without incompetence or malfeasance running them bankrupt.
Eeeeeeeeyup. End welfare, and labor shortages that we're being told must be filled by immigrants will suddenly disappear.
The reason DACA exists is because it is believed that the Dreamers will all end up permanent residents and likely citizens. For all intents and purposes they are Americans having come through our education system and in general being assimilated and speaking English.
Practically they are the last of the illegals that we would deport. So after we resolve the front 10 million we can get to the Dreamers.
The reason DACA exists is because it is believed that the Dreamers will all end up permanent residents and likely citizens. For all intents and purposes they are Americans having come through our education system and in general being assimilated and speaking English.
Practically they are the last of the illegals that we would deport. So after we resolve the front 10 million we can get to the Dreamers.
Yes good brainwashed govt educated citizens who will continue to vote for welfare schemes.hoorah!
The dream is in thinking the welfare can continue unabated.
End all welfare now. Its immoral, its socialism and your govt cant administer the redistribution schemes without incompetence or malfeasance running them bankrupt.
Too bad the R's love the schemes as much as the D's do and so the best we can hope for is the two teams arguing over the details of who to throw the stolen loot at.
That would be like restarting a race where everyone left off.
Eeeeeeeeyup. End welfare, and labor shortages that we're being told must be filled by immigrants will suddenly disappear.
Yessir...! I've been saying this for years, every time the libs say...."we need the poor illegals, who will pick our food and clean our houses"? I say, dump everyone not completely deserving off welfare and see how fast they scramble to pick up the menial work, Starving sucks....
Eeeeeeeeyup. End welfare, and labor shortages that we're being told must be filled by immigrants will suddenly disappear.
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Originally Posted by Woody01
Yessir...! I've been saying this for years, every time the libs say...."we need the poor illegals, who will pick our food and clean our houses"? I say, dump everyone not completely deserving off welfare and see how fast they scramble to pick up the menial work, Starving sucks....
Always the nonsense.
We do not need the illegals and we should not have them. But we do. And there are too many to workably get rid of.
They also do have a large and good impact on the economy. The dairy industry suggests an avoidance of 90 billion dollars of cost in that industry alone. And continue that through agriculture and service industry they provide the US consumer with multiple hundreds of billions of cost avoidance.
There contribution vastly out weighs any costs. And the cost listed are virtually always grossly overstated.
We need to be rid of them and gain control of our immigration system. The only practical way to do that is to legalize most.
And it will cost us. Legal residents will gradually raise the cost to approach the level of citizens. But it will take a decade or more so the effect will be spread over a long period.
We should then establish a regular program for foreign workers in seasonal industry and such. A much better and simpler plan than the agriculture worker plan the farmers find unworkable.
Nothing wrong if we set up a program advantageous to the workers and to us.
Nothing wrong if we set up a program advantageous to the workers and to us.
It's a very small percentage of illegals that work in agriculture. Even so, there are literally thousands of guest worker visas going unfilled every year.
I'm not against guest workers, not one bit. My father in law has been in ag for over fifty years, and the last time we talked about it, he says in that time he could count on one hand the number of illegals he's hired, and that's because they had forged docs.
That being said, if every illegal were deported, our agriculture industry could make some small corrections, fill in the numbers with legal workers, and more mechanization would reach technical maturity out of necessity.
It's a very small percentage of illegals that work in agriculture. Even so, there are literally thousands of guest worker visas going unfilled every year.
I'm not against guest workers, not one bit. My father in law has been in ag for over fifty years, and the last time we talked about it, he says in that time he could count on one hand the number of illegals he's hired, and that's because they had forged docs.
That being said, if every illegal were deported, our agriculture industry could make some small corrections, fill in the numbers with legal workers, and more mechanization would reach technical maturity out of necessity.
Not true. According to the dairy industry the loss of illegal workers would almost double the cost of dairy. That would be close to a 100 billion dollars. Other industries would have similar problems.
We should not be here...but we are. And we have no will to do much about illegals. So it appears we will simply live with it until it gets worse.
Dumb actually.
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