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Old 09-20-2019, 08:06 PM
 
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Mueller found that Trump obstructed up to 10 times.


With the coverup of the whistleblower complaint, it's now 11.
And still his supporters won't care. And Congress won't do a damn thing. Trump owns it all, lock, stock and barrel.

 
Old 09-20-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.
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How can you "blow the whistle" on a matter of which you have no first hand knowledge?
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:35 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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This appears to be a little troubling:

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How can you "blow the whistle" on a matter of which you have no first hand knowledge?
good question.



“President Trump didn’t mention an offer of providing foreign aid to Ukraine during a recent call with president Volodymyr Zelensky, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday.

Trump urged Zelensky to launch an investigation into Vice President Joe Biden’s son on eight separate occasions during the July call but did not make an offer of foreign aid in exchange for the opening of a probe, as has been widely speculated.

The president reportedly urged Zelensky to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to determine the veracity of allegations that Biden leveraged his position as vice president to quash an investigation into an energy company whose board his son, Hunter, sat on.

The president reportedly urged Zelensky to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to determine the veracity of allegations that Biden leveraged his position as vice president to quash an investigation into an energy company whose board his son, Hunter, sat on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nat...nt-report/amp/
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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And over a dozen people listening in. Why only one person triggered?
No one has questioned anyone else listening in? Why?
Look, Trump tried to recruit a foreign government to provide dirt on a candidate’s son, in order to influence the USA’s 2020 presidential election. This a major thing, a very, very bad major thing. It has been corroborated. He has basically admitted it.

You can try to minimize this all you want to. But it happened, and it is deeply wrong. It is a betrayal of our country and its electoral process. It is a betrayal of his country.
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:15 PM
 
Location: United States
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Look, Trump tried to recruit a foreign government to provide dirt on a candidate’s son, in order to influence the USA’s 2020 presidential election. This a major thing, a very, very bad major thing. It has been corroborated. He has basically admitted it.

You can try to minimize this all you want to. But it happened, and it is deeply wrong. It is a betrayal of our country and its electoral process. It is a betrayal of his country.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

The president can ask a government to look into corruption whether you like it, or not.

If Biden did what he is admitting to on video, he is going to have to face the consequences for it.
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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This appears to be a little troubling:

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How can you "blow the whistle" on a matter of which you have no first hand knowledge?
So, then - Let Trump release the transcript of the calls and prove the whistleblower is a liar.

I've got a hundred bucks that says he won't. Any ideas why not...?
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: United States
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So, then - Let Trump release the transcript of the calls and prove the whistleblower is a liar.

I've got a hundred bucks that says he won't. Any ideas why not...?
If Biden didn't do anything wrong, why worry about the Ukraine government looking into what happened?
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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If Biden didn't do anything wrong, why worry about the Ukraine government looking into what happened?
I am not worried about the Ukrainian government looking into Hunter Biden. I don’t care. If guilty, let the chips fall where they may.

I do care, however, that the President is pressuring foreign countries to try to dig up dirt on political rivals.
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:52 PM
 
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Wow. If anyone here thinks Trump has the slightest interest in rooting out corruption, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you. PM me for details.
 
Old 09-20-2019, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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If Biden didn't do anything wrong, why worry about the Ukraine government looking into what happened?
The point is not what the Ukrainians did, the point is what Trump did. Did he improperly coerce the Ukes, by trading foreign aid for an investigation into a political opponent?

If Trump was simply concerned about the level of corruption in their government, he can say that. If there is concern that an American citizen has broken American laws, the FBI can work with Ukrainian police. But no, Trump asked the Ukies no less than 8 times to investigate Biden.

How dumb can he be? Didn't he learn his lesson in the whole Mueller probe? The guy wants to be a Nixon caliber autocrat but he doesn't have half the brain power that wily old Tricky Dick had.
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