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Old 09-20-2019, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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..and left up to us...atmospheric CO2 would be back to ~350ppm

we are not increasing the level of CO2 in the atmosphere...our emissions are almost stable
CO2 is cumulative due to the long life times of CO2 in the atmosphere. Emissions can be stable yet the CO2 concentration will rise. This is well known and is the reason why our relatively low amount of emission (relative to natural sources) has led to increased concentration.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:36 PM
 
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From what perspective? We absolutely contribute to an increase over natural levels.

And do we take no ownership of the fact that we now build things in China and have them shipped here rather than produce locally?
our emissions have been stable +/- ~1 Gt for the past 50 years....that is our contribution to atmospheric CO2

left up to the USA...atmospheric CO2 levels would also be ~stable

...all of the increase in atmospheric CO2 has come from developing countries

and no we do not...China is responsible for their emissions...
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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our emissions have been stable +/- ~1 Gt for the past 50 years....that is our contribution to atmospheric CO2

left up to the USA...atmospheric CO2 levels would also be ~stable

...all of the increase in atmospheric CO2 has come from developing countries

and no we do not...China is responsible for their emissions...
We just moved our manufacturing emissions to China. It’s a global problem. Our demand for cheap crap from China is just as much the root of the problem.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:39 PM
 
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CO2 is cumulative due to the long life times of CO2 in the atmosphere. Emissions can be stable yet the CO2 concentration will rise. This is well known and is the reason why our relatively low amount of emission (relative to natural sources) has led to increased concentration.
so you're saying the relatively extremely high emissions from China, India, and the rest of the developing world are 5-6 times more cumulative than ours
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Trees are racist.

https://www.golf.com/tour-news/2017/...e-palm-springs
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:41 PM
 
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We just moved our manufacturing emissions to China. It’s a global problem. Our demand for cheap crap from China is just as much the root of the problem.
and China's demand to manufacture that cheap crap as cheap as possible means they get a free pass on pollution, CO2 emissions, and global warming

..that's their problem..not ours

start blaming them....and you guys won't look like some cheap scam
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: New York
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The largest CO2 producer is China, so even if the US went completely carbon neutral, at best, we would hardly put a dent the CO2 levels. So why not advocate for more trees instead, which consume CO2? Instead, all we hear is that we need to ban cars, burgers, transatlantic flight, and collect trillions more in taxes. It sounds more like a giant scam to me.
This has nothing to do with the environment. If they cared about the environment they would have done something about their cities turning into sewage holes. They used to show Ironeyes Cody tearing up at garbage in a street. A box of food on the road made the Indians weep.

This is all about power. Green Peace isn't so worried about keeping things on the planet green as long as their bank accounts are loaded with it.

ALL of the great organizations have been hijacked by tyrannical hypocrites. They no longer represent what they once did, they are no longer righteous.

There's no money in clean air, water, and land. It's all about the climate baby, that's where the real cash is.


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Heh, well, I'd say it's the AGW nutters that hate trees. Trees make fresh oxygen and fertile land and those nimrods can't be having self-powered air factories screwing up their gig.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:47 PM
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As a Forester for 40 years, we have an “epidemic of trees” in this west. It is the primary reason for the devasting wildfires.

Planting trees is a good idea in our cities. Not in our forests.

Best, cheapest, and quickest way to reduce CO2 emissions is to limit speed limits to 55 MPH. 30% reduction in CO2 emissions due to transportation overnight.

Step Two....Limit jet air travel to 1970 level. That is a major reduction in air travel. There is enough scientific evidence that what we are seeing as a signature of global warming is actually due to jet travel.

Two fairly inexpensive ways to SIGNIFICANTLY lower CO2 emissions, without a reduction in the standard of living for most people on the planet.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:47 PM
 
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and China's demand to manufacture that cheap crap as cheap as possible means they get a free pass on pollution, CO2 emissions, and global warming

..that's their problem..not ours

start blaming them....and you guys won't look like some cheap scam
I think you mean supply.

Even the manufacturing done there on behalf of US companies you take no ownership of? That’s quite the delusion. We want cheap stuff without the expense of paying for lower emissions production, worker/human rights, etc. That is at least partly on us.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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The largest CO2 producer is China, so even if the US went completely carbon neutral, at best, we would hardly put a dent the CO2 levels. So why not advocate for more trees instead, which consume CO2? Instead, all we hear is that we need to ban cars, burgers, transatlantic flight, and collect trillions more in taxes. It sounds more like a giant scam to me.
I've been an advocate of trees for decades. Sadly, the developers have the upper hand because the local governments let them get away with it. So all the trees get mowed down in the name of progress. It's despicable.
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