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Old 09-26-2019, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If the cost of living is low enough where you can afford to pay for housing then you won't have to live on the streets.
Then why oh why choose to migrate to areas with very high costs of living?

There’s a growing alternative housing thing going on in NYC. One rents the equivalent of a dorm room. Rent includes all utilities and weekly cleaning. Buildings may or may not have other amenities. Leases can be as short as 30 days. While rent is not cheap, it’s more affordable than a studio and eliminates personality conflicts associated with sharing space.
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Old 09-26-2019, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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They are still breaking the law....the reason does not matter. That is like saying we excuse stealing food if you can’t buy it. If you steal food you will be arrested, put in jail and YES you will get food there. Homeless people are lawbreakers and they should be removed from the streets and incarcerated in a homeless camp for breaking the law.

Yes they are a burden, the harass people, they are dirty and unsanitary, they lower property values in areas they squat in and they poop on the streets. They are a burden to everyone.
Where would this homeless camp be erected?
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Old 09-26-2019, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Then why oh why choose to migrate to areas with very high costs of living?

There’s a growing alternative housing thing going on in NYC. One rents the equivalent of a dorm room. Rent includes all utilities and weekly cleaning. Buildings may or may not have other amenities. Leases can be as short as 30 days. While rent is not cheap, it’s more affordable than a studio and eliminates personality conflicts associated with sharing space.
New York also has a law that states that housing is a right, as a result while they have the largest number of homeless of any city, they have one of the lowest numbers of unsheltered homeless. 75% of the homeless in LA do not have access to a shelter, in New York all but 5% of their homeless are sheltered.

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Old 09-26-2019, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They are still breaking the law....the reason does not matter. That is like saying we excuse stealing food if you can’t buy it. If you steal food you will be arrested, put in jail and YES you will get food there. Homeless people are lawbreakers and they should be removed from the streets and incarcerated in a homeless camp for breaking the law.

Yes they are a burden, the harass people, they are dirty and unsanitary, they lower property values in areas they squat in and they poop on the streets. They are a burden to everyone.
What law are they breaking? Being homeless isn't a criminal offense?
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:33 PM
 
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Then why oh why choose to migrate to areas with very high costs of living?

There’s a growing alternative housing thing going on in NYC. One rents the equivalent of a dorm room. Rent includes all utilities and weekly cleaning. Buildings may or may not have other amenities. Leases can be as short as 30 days. While rent is not cheap, it’s more affordable than a studio and eliminates personality conflicts associated with sharing space.
I have no idea why someone would move to a place with a high cost of living. If I know I cannot afford life in a low cost of living place I definitely wouldn't go somewhere that costs more.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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Not anymore. Just like any other US citizen who decides to move to your state, once they do they are your state’s resident to take care of, just like they are your asset to tax. They are no longer whatever state they came from homeless, they are yours. Nice try, though.

Now, if you want to discuss non-citizens that is a different story.

Yes, blue states get stuck with red states' problems. That is nothing new.

My point of sending these homeless back to their home state still stand. It is perfectly legal to give them a one-way ticket and say Don't ever come back. In fact, many cities are already doing it.

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Old 09-27-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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To be free from what? Responsibility? So they flock to SFO for free stuff.
California has a lot of free stuff - free nice weather, free good looking people, free vibrant culture, free urban environment, even free food. Yes, the food here is tastier and better, even if they have to comb through the trash bins to find it.

The homeless like sunshine and culture just as much as rich people.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:58 PM
 
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Yes it's pretty sad that these folks have chosen to live off the taxpayers to "have fun" panhandling and enjoying the hippy vibe of San Fran. But, when I was a young lad, I wanted to do the same. I traveled around, lived in hostels and with acquaintances and went to fun cities and parties and events. I even traveled around following concert venues and living out of my car. Do it while your young. However, this dream of freeloading and having a blast isn't the norm of homeless people, just a few that you've selected out of many. The majority of homeless are there because of addiction, a bad rap, or mental illness.

Studies show that 75% of the homeless get off the streets in under a year. Homelessness is a temporary condition for many of them.

The ones who are of sounded mind, able bodies, and relatively young IS the norm; they are the 75% who can get out from homelessness. The 25% who get stuck are the ones you referred to - mental illness, addiction, and of old age.

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Old 09-27-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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you are so far off. why are they running to CA? They aren't running from a craphole they are running to a craphole because you tolerate sloth and worthlessness. most of them want easy access to drugs which you readily provide
LOL. If you think CA is the only place in the country with easy access to drugs; you seriously need to get out of your cave more.

People like you often don't understand that when a person is homeless, weather and safety is EVERYTHING. They are outside 24/7, so nice weather is a matter of life and death. Safety is equally important for the obvious reason. These are two things that CA has in abundance and can't be found in equal capacity in other states.

Then you throw in the high number of rich people (good for panhanding), the tastier food (even if it is from the trash), and the vibrant culture; if you're homeless, why wouldn't you come here? When a person has nothing and nothing to tie that person to a place; why wouldn't that person just pack up and go to the best place in the nation? This is exactly what the theory of "Efficient Market" tells us would happen - when all things are equal, people will opt for the best.

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Old 09-27-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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"send them back"
- Sounding like Trump there...

"Red states" - dude, think about it - California attracts homeless people and according to you, happy freeloaders ... meanwhile, Texas attracts a ton of California businesses. Why is that?

California is the income inequality headquarters of America.
When the richest people in the nation live in CA, of course there is income inequality. A poor person in CA is someone making $50k. That's because the richest people are easily north of $1 billion. And btw, many many rich conservatives choose to live in CA. They can live in red states, but they are here. Including Michael Savage, he lives in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Texas does NOT attract a ton of CA business. They got a few leftovers and are apparently over the moon.

Meanwhile, the hottest IPOs this year are all from CA.

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