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Secret: OK
Asking for interference in our election: bad, illegal
That's a perception. It was not said exactly as some would like to perceive. Especially after Adam's " parody".
Back in the day I actually knew people that he was trying to imitate.
And it could be considered " horse trading" , and if you don't think that has gone on " in secret " , I can't help you.
That's a perception. It was not said exactly as some would like to perceive. Especially after Adam's " parody".
Back in the day I actually knew people that he was trying to imitate.
And it could be considered " horse trading" , and if you don't think that has gone on " in secret " , I can't help you.
Using political office to engage in horse trading to advance American interests = ok
Using political office to engage in horse trading to advance personal interests = not ok
Again - the methodology please - oh wait I'll look at that for you. Quinapaq poll - They polled 1115 thru random digit dialing - supposedly 33% were Democrat, 29% were Republican and 30% Independent - already skewed as you don't have an even sampling of the respondents - that's if they actually told the truth in which party they identify.
CBS poll - methodology - The CBS News survey is conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample of 2,059
U.S. residents interviewed online between September 26-27, 2019.
This sample was weighted according to gender, age, race, and education based on the American
Community Survey, conducted by the U.S. Bureau of the Census, as well as 2016 Presidential
vote and registration status. Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in panel to be rep-
resentative of all U.S residents. The weights range from 0.2 to 2.4, with a mean of 1 and a
standard deviation of 0.4.
The margin of error (a 95% confidence interval) for a sample percentage p based upon the entire
sample is approximately 2.3%. It is calculated using the formula
pˆ± 100 ⇥
s
1 + CV2
n
where CV is the coe
cient of variation of the sample weights and n is the sample size used
to compute the proportion. This is a measure of sampling error (the average of all estimates
obtained using the same sample selection and weighting procedures repeatedly). The sample
estimate should di↵er from its expected value by less than margin of error in 95 percent of
all samples. It does not reflect non-sampling errors, including potential selection bias in panel
participation or in response to a particular survey.
No breakdown at all as to party affiliations, gender ect..
Haven't you learned that polls don't mean sh*t - look at Hillary!!
Zelenkyy: We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though...
In other words, we'll give you the missiles if you investigate Crowdstrike, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. This isn't rocket science. It's straight up quid pro quo, plain as day, among other things.
Using political office to engage in horse trading to advance American interests = ok
Using political office to engage in horse trading to advance personal interests = not ok
" personal interests "
That's the perception issue in a nutshell. I don't see it that way, many others don't see it that way. Because of that, it isn't solid enough to consider removing the POTUS without other overwhelming solid evidence to support that perception.
Evidence that can be examined, cross examined if necessary, scrutinize and verified.
Is it too much to ask that BEFORE Nancy started the Impeachment Train, she would not allow the train to be conducted by the media ?
Or is that what she really wanted in the first place?
" Barr has gone rogue" Nancy said
That was just before this all started. This may all be smokescreen as the IG Report is due very soon. There may even be a Grand Jury right now in CT hearing evidence. Lots of Black SUVs around CT.
" personal interests "
That's the perception issue in a nutshell. I don't see it that way, many others don't see it that way. Because of that, it isn't solid enough to consider removing the POTUS without other overwhelming solid evidence to support that perception.
Evidence that can be examined, cross examined if necessary, scrutinize and verified.
Is it too much to ask that BEFORE Nancy started the Impeachment Train, she would not allow the train to be conducted by the media ?
Or is that what she really wanted in the first place?
" Barr has gone rogue"
That was just before this all started. This may all be smokescreen as the IG Report is due very soon. There may even be a Grand Jury right now in CT hearing evidence.
The "personal interests" issue seems pretty cut and dried to me. Trump asked a foreign leader to gin up a criminal investigation against a political rival. There is no plausible explanation for wanting to do so other than for personal political gain - a fact that is further supported by Giuliani's statement that he was going to Ukraine to "dig up dirt on Joe Biden" for Trump's political benefit.
Secret: OK
Asking for interference in our election: bad, illegal
I hear this parroted a lot but addy no point did Trump ask for "interference in our election"....I mean that's easily proven to be a false statement, why would you think you'd get away with saying it?
Suggesting a situation be investigated isn't asking for election interference otherwise wouldn't we say Pelosi and the CIA are engaging in election interference right now?
The "personal interests" issue seems pretty cut and dried to me. Trump asked a foreign leader to gin up a criminal investigation against a political rival. There is no plausible explanation for wanting to do so other than for personal political gain - a fact that is further supported by Giuliani's statement that he was going to Ukraine to "dig up dirt on Joe Biden" for Trump's political benefit.
So in your mind there's no plausible explanation to investigate potential corruption besides personal political gain?
In Watergate there was a crime, the break in of the Watergate hotel
where is the crime here?
1)The crime is simple, he violated the The Hobbs Act.
The Hobbs Act prohibits actions that “in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce, by robbery or extortion.” Requesting a foreign government to dig up dirt to aid Trump in an re-election is considered a "thing of value" and is qualified as an article, commodity or property. (Remember Facebook exists because it sells its knowledge of you! Your facts are it's property/articles/commodity the moment you accept the terms and conditions)
2) Extortion is defined as “obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.”
3) The Government only has to prove that "a public official has obtained a payment to which he was not entitled, knowing that the payment was made in return for official acts.” If Trump blocked military assistance to Ukraine in order to extract a payment from that country, that is a clear violation of the Hobbs Act. When a President simply asks for something to which he is not entitled, that solicitation is illegal.
That's just the Hobbes Act. By asking for a foreign entity to initiate an investigation against a potential political rival in the next election, Trump has violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
This act makes it illegal to influence "any act or decision of such foreign official in his official capacity, inducing such foreign official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official, or securing any improper advantage; or inducing such foreign official to use his influence with a foreign government or instrumentality thereof to affect or influence any act or decision of such government or instrumentality"
I'm sorry the Trump and Republican talking points which are parroted verbatim across EVERY SINGLE right-wing talk radio show fail to mention these basic concepts to their listeners. They are too busy to obfuscating the facts to deflect and deceive their listeners. And let's face it, their listeners don't want to know real facts. If they hitched their wagon to a corrupt, utterly dishonest incompetent man-child, what does that say about them?
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