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Old 10-03-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TEPLimey View Post
You are desperately trying to make this about Schiff and the whistleblower. It is about Trump, who has already largely corroborated the whistleblower's account by releasing the transcript*. Once that was released and confirmed the allegations in the complaint, whether the whistleblower had first- or second-hand information became irrelevant and whether or not Schiff had a vague knowledge of the contents of the complaint even earlier became even more irrelevant.

All of this nonsense about Schiff and secondhand information/hearsay is meaningless unless the claim was that the whistleblower's complaint was fabricated/innacurate. However, we know it was not fabricated or inaccurate based on the White House's own voluntarily-declassified documents. So let's stick to what actually matters, shall we?
Nothing is irrelevant when an attempt is being made to take away my vote and the votes of tens of millions of other Americans.

I would have NO problem had this been handled the way precedent and the US Constitution dictates.

Schiff LIED for over 2 1/2 years. Over and over. He was one of the lead mouthpieces for a compete an utter fraud perpetrated on the American people.

He is directly involved in many ways. The source, the Inquiry, and his " performance" in Congress.
Absolutely shameful.


Please ,. just once, have someone, anyone besides a Democrat or their lefty leaning DNC talking points media come up with credible evidence that would indicate an Impeachment of this President would be in order.

And remind yourself about the pattern of behavior by Democrats and the Media since , and even before Trump was elected. The DEms said over and over again they were going to Impeach him. One of their " Squad: is selling T Shirts that say what she did they day she won her seat. Nice.

Pattern of behavior.

 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Fuele View Post
Nothing is irrelevant when an attempt is being made to take away my vote and the votes of tens of millions of other Americans.

I would have NO problem had this been handled the way precedent and the US Constitution dictates.

Schiff LIED for over 2 1/2 years. Over and over. He was one of the lead mouthpieces for a compete an utter fraud perpetrated on the American people.

He is directly involved in many ways. The source, the Inquiry, and his " performance" in Congress.
Absolutely shameful.

Please ,. just once, have someone, anyone besides a Democrat or their lefty leaning DNC talking points media come up with credible evidence that would indicate an Impeachment of this President would be in order.

And remind yourself about the pattern of behavior by Democrats and the Media since , and even before Trump was elected. The DEms said over and over again they were going ot Impeach him. One of their : Squad: is selling T Shirts that say what she did they day she won her seat.

Pattern of behavior.
So your conclusion appears to be "If Schiff is untruthful, Trump's self-admitted behavior cannot be investigated." I disagree with that conclusion.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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The Trump playbook will, of course, deflect throughout this coming process. The RudyG conspiracy theories have been repeatedly debunked. There are a flood of articles coming out that now provide clear scenarios of what went on in Ukraine.

For example, an USA Today opinion piece is entitled: Donald Trump's baseless Joe Biden conspiracy fantasy should make Americans feel sick. Although an editorial, it does a pretty good job of laying out the story.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/3832174002/

That RudyG's claims were so weak reinforces Trump's desperate need to extract that favor from Zelensky.

Today, CNN further turned the Biden story into nonsense. Turns out that not only the Obama Administration (along with the EU, IMF, Ukrainian reformers) pushed Shokin out - so did Republicans.
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A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine's prosecutor general's office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time.

CNN's KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to "press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/polit...ile/index.html

Joe Biden went to Kiev in December 2015. The Congressional letter is dated February 2016. The Ukrainian Parliament finally removed Shokin in March 2016. It looks like Joe's boasting was a bit premature, although no doubt the message he sent about the loan guarantee played a major role.

The RudyG dossier may actually support the story that Biden was not acting to protect his son - which once again points to Trump's need for that Zelensky-inspired investigation. One of the documents that RudyG flashes is "proof" Shokin (the fired prosecutor) was going after Burisma (where Hunter Biden was on the Board of Directors). True, that - in February 2016, Shokin finally filed a motion in a previously-inactive investigation. This is from Solomon (opinion writer, The Hill - a purveyor of the RudyG Dossier).

What does that mean? Shokin like a good little corrupt prosecutor had been doing nothing against Burisma. Until Joe Biden passed along the proposal to fire him. At which point he reactivated the investigation. Oops!

RudyG like a any conspiracist throws around various paper facts. But then uses them to create totally distorted pictures.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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No. He didn't mention "corruption". He said he wanted Ukraine to look into Biden and Biden's son.

The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."[/i][/b]
Seems to me, what Trump is describing is how he thinks Biden was corrupt. He didn’t say the word, but, he spelled it out
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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So your conclusion appears to be "If Schiff is untruthful, Trump's self-admitted behavior cannot be investigated." I disagree with that conclusion.
The entire impeachment bs is based on Schifface's dialog. That dialog is totally untruthful.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The noose is tightening on Der Trumpher.

Apoplexy is a good look for him.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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The entire impeachment bs is based on Schifface's dialog.
No it's not.

Just because Trump says it does not make it so.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:52 PM
 
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So your conclusion appears to be "If Schiff is untruthful, Trump's self-admitted behavior cannot be investigated." I disagree with that conclusion.
Not exactly , but Okay, if that's ' your opinion. Thanks for the civil exchange.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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Foreign countries should be able to investigate corruption.
The US can encourage foreign countries to investigate corruption.
Provided it is done to advance US interests, the President US can encourage foreign leaders to investigate corruption.
The President cannot encourage foreign leaders to investigate his political rivals for personal benefit.

Easy peasy.
So your entire basis for claiming something wrong occurred is your opinion as to the intent behind asking a foreign leader to investigate corruption.... don't you see how flimsy that is?

Even if what you are suggesting was illegal, and it's not, how could you ever hope to prove that?
 
Old 10-03-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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The entire impeachment bs is based on Schifface's dialog. That dialog is totally untruthful.
No it's not. Quit listening to lies. It's based on what is coming out of Trump's mouth. Still. Today he asked for China's help.
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