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Old 10-08-2019, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I mean, it kind of is though. If you pass things that have no chance of going into law, you are just wasting your time so it's helpful to get an indication if an issue is a non-starter before you commit to it.
Doesn't hurt to vote on it to show the citizens (who pay them) that they are working for us. If a high majority vote in favor, cannot they counter the presidents veto?

 
Old 10-08-2019, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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So what? You do realize that there are 3 branches of government right? If the executive branch vetoes the "bipartisan" bill, you better have a ton of bipartisan support to override that bill. If you don't have that kind of support you are wasting your time.

Something similar goes for the judiciary. If you pass a bipartisan bill, but the courts find it to be unconstitutional, you've wasted your time and the fact that it's a bipartisan bill is completely irrelevant.

The US government is set up to stagnate and do nothing when there is disagreement, doing nothing is the default position. It's only when you can get all 3 branches to agree on something for the most part that anything at all happens....and that's a good thing.
^^^ cannot be determined unless there is a vote.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 07:52 AM
 
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If you understand civics then why did you say "that is not the way its supposed to work" when it clearly is the way it is supposed to work? LOL

Are you just looking for an excuse to pretend to be outraged?
Outraged like the GOP because the House has not voted on impeachment? What goes around, comes around. Hows that civics course for ya?
 
Old 10-08-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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^^^ cannot be determined unless there is a vote.
That's either incredibly naive or incredibly dishonest. You pick.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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If it was Harry Reid not sending legislation to Obama to be vetoed, you'd be absolutely fine with it. Also, not wasting your time voting on non starters isn't really protecting anyone. I get that you'd prefer they waste their time to help you create propaganda, but I mean, that's not really their job.
Harry, however, is not the subject here. Mitch is, and his obstruction of the legislative process. By "...waste their time to help you create propaganda..." I presume you mean like dozens of tries to kill the ACA and defund Planned Parenthood and overturn Roe v Wade, which is almost the entirety of anything the republicans have taken up since Trump took office.

Trump doesn't have to veto popular bills that never get voted on, and Senate republicans never have to go on record as having voted one way or the other. Fortunately, Mitch will not be around forever.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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That's either incredibly naive or incredibly dishonest. You pick.
Neither. She made and entirely accurate statement. Without a vote, no one knows where anyone stands.

Of maybe going on record one way or another is the root of the problem. Maybe the republicans are such a bunch of sniveling cowards that they would sit frozen in fear, unable to vote for fear of constituent backlash.

Maybe that's why the legislation is never allowed to come to the floor in the first place. It might tip the GOP's hand to the public what a bunch of gutless clods they really are.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Neither. She made and entirely accurate statement. Without a vote, no one knows where anyone stands.

Of maybe going on record one way or another is the root of the problem. Maybe the republicans are such a bunch of sniveling cowards that they would sit frozen in fear, unable to vote for fear of constituent backlash.

Maybe that's why the legislation is never allowed to come to the floor in the first place. It might tip the GOP's hand to the public what a bunch of gutless clods they really are.
Fair enough, I'll put you down as "incredibly naive"
 
Old 10-08-2019, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Neither. She made and entirely accurate statement. Without a vote, no one knows where anyone stands.

Of maybe going on record one way or another is the root of the problem. Maybe the republicans are such a bunch of sniveling cowards that they would sit frozen in fear, unable to vote for fear of constituent backlash.

Maybe that's why the legislation is never allowed to come to the floor in the first place. It might tip the GOP's hand to the public what a bunch of gutless clods they really are.
Hmmm, that sounds just like the sniveling House RATS afraid to VOTE on a REAL impeachment proceeding.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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That's either incredibly naive or incredibly dishonest. You pick.
Dishonest! Mitch, by not having a vote, is being dishonest with the American people and tax payers who pay his salary to do his job.
 
Old 10-08-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Neither. She made and entirely accurate statement. Without a vote, no one knows where anyone stands.

Of maybe going on record one way or another is the root of the problem. Maybe the republicans are such a bunch of sniveling cowards that they would sit frozen in fear, unable to vote for fear of constituent backlash.

Maybe that's why the legislation is never allowed to come to the floor in the first place. It might tip the GOP's hand to the public what a bunch of gutless clods they really are.
For a reason I cannot understand, the GOP are cowards. Our forefathers and freedom fighters would turn over in their graves to see how the GOP is allowing the US balance of powers to erode.
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