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How do you think they gather the evidence to present at a trial. An investigation. What stage are we in right now? The investigation stage. Duh.
We are NOT in the "impeachment investigation" stage. For that there has to be a vote by the whole House, which the Democrats obviously are avoiding, in large part because they do not want to extend the constitutional due process protections to their hated adversary President Trump. Also, they do not clearly appear to have the votes to pass a motion to start a formal "Impeachment investigation". And of course even if they were able to muster the votes to pass a motion to start a formal "Impeachment investigation," they know that this will also be a big loser for them in the elections in 2020, so they do not want to face the political repercussions at the polls.
We are actually in the inquiry stage, which in this case is more polite way to say "Partisan witch hunt" or "Kangaroo court". This whole exercise really has been a maximum disgrace for the Democrats. It has been a true act of desperation perhaps beyond anything we have seen before in our nation's history.
...For that there has to be a vote by the whole House ...
For the zillionth time - NO.
They (whatever House committee is in charge of this) are in the information gathering stage. That is why the House is asking for documents from the White House and elsewhere and subpoenaing various people. They have a suspicion and are gathering evidence.
When they have the evidence they need THEN they will ask the full House for a vote to proceed. The full House is like the equivalent of a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury/full House makes a determination if there is enough evidence to press charges.
Impeachment = Press Charges
If the House votes to impeach/press charges, it goes to the senate for the equivalent of a jury trial.
Has to be. Barr runs SDNY, and he is complicit in the Ukraine deal. They would not have been arrested without his buy in. Add to that Gowdy on board as counsel, and Rudy is due to make an exit in short order.
The question now is, will Rudy go to prison and hope for a pardon, or will he actively try to fight going to prison in the first place by spilling all the beans he has? Things could get really interesting really quickly.
Rudy would have to gamble on trump still being president, should he be convicted, in order to be able to pardon him.
Yeah, but in order to get an indictment against an accused murderer, evidence has to be brought before a grand jury with regards to a specific criminal charge. Nothing like that has happened here. It is all made for television lynch mob style harassment campaign. There has not even been the tiniest whiff of due process and the hearings have been conducted behind closed doors.
This has all been promoted based on emotion and a mountain of Democrat left contrived hyper-partisan lies.
The House functions as the grand jury and the trial occurs in the Senate.
We are NOT in the "impeachment investigation" stage. For that there has to be a vote by the whole House, which the Democrats obviously are avoiding, in large part because they do not want to extend the constitutional due process protections to their hated adversary President Trump. Also, they do not clearly appear to have the votes to pass a motion to start a formal "Impeachment investigation". And of course even if they were able to muster the votes to pass a motion to start a formal "Impeachment investigation," they know that this will also be a big loser for them in the elections in 2020, so they do not want to face the political repercussions at the polls.
We are actually in the inquiry stage, which in this case is more polite way to say "Partisan witch hunt" or "Kangaroo court". This whole exercise really has been a maximum disgrace for the Democrats. It has been a true act of desperation perhaps beyond anything we have seen before in our nation's history.
You are incorrect. The Constitution does not put forth any mandates concerning procedures, simply states that the right to issue articles of impeachment is the sole domain of the House of Representatives.
The fact that the whole House voted to begin impeachment proceedings for Nixon and Clinton does not establish precedent.
Furthermore, the House acts like a grand jury. The target of a grand jury investigation has no right to go in front of the grand jury and call witnesses, cross examine state witnesses, etc. Not until the grand jury returns with an indictment does the defendant start to gain constitutional rights regarding innocence/guilt.
Speaker Pelosi is well within her right to have various committees do the investigating. If the committees vote articles of impeachment, then the whole House will vote. Then, the action moves to the Senate, and Mr. Trump may call witnesses, etc.
We are NOT in the "impeachment investigation" stage. For that there has to be a vote by the whole House, which the Democrats obviously are avoiding, in large part because they do not want to extend the constitutional due process protections to their hated adversary President Trump. Also, they do not clearly appear to have the votes to pass a motion to start a formal "Impeachment investigation". And of course even if they were able to muster the votes to pass a motion to start a formal "Impeachment investigation," they know that this will also be a big loser for them in the elections in 2020, so they do not want to face the political repercussions at the polls.
We are actually in the inquiry stage, which in this case is more polite way to say "Partisan witch hunt" or "Kangaroo court". This whole exercise really has been a maximum disgrace for the Democrats. It has been a true act of desperation perhaps beyond anything we have seen before in our nation's history.
This is basically just you hiding under your "fake news" blankey.
Yes, we are in the investigation stage. No, it isnt "fake". Yes, real subpoenas are going out. No, people are not legally allowed to ignore them.
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They (whatever House committee is in charge of this) are in the information gathering stage. That is why the House is asking for documents from the White House and elsewhere and subpoenaing various people. They have a suspicion and are gathering evidence.
When they have the evidence they need THEN they will ask the full House for a vote to proceed. The full House is like the equivalent of a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury/full House makes a determination if there is enough evidence to press charges.
Impeachment = Press Charges
If the House votes to impeach/press charges, it goes to the senate for the equivalent of a jury trial.
Might want to copy this somewhere as I'll bet you will need to post this countless times.
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