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Old 09-27-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by Fuele View Post
You have absolutely no clue regarding what anyone else ' knew " , unless you can read minds.

There was a breach. The first step is securing the information until the circumstances can be understood. It is sound and prudent behavior regarding discussions that are supposed to be secure.

The POTUS is the chief law Enforcement Officer of the United States. He can inquire, ask for assistance and negotiate with anyone he chooses, in a manner that for him represents the best course of action. There wasn't any need to dig up anything. Biden and his son's involvement is well known and documented. " Looking into" is just that, looking into. Unlike what was first reported , and even still projected are allegations of something to be gained for Trump. what is forgotten is what the American people would have gained knowing additional information in regards to the Ukraine, and how to best foster relationships with them. Maybe to avoid the potential corruption of the past?
So, then - Why did he order the withholding of funds from Ukraine, and then ask for help digging up dirt on Biden...?

 
Old 09-27-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Are you referring to the transcript that the president has already released unredacted to the public? the transcript is out for all to see!

Conjecture and speculation about trump's intent is not proof of an impeachable offense. there is hard evidence of trump's bad behavior, but not quid pro quo which was the original charge against the president before transcript and whistleblower's reports were released. the transcript and a whistleblower complaint, comprised totally of hearsay as the person admitted s/he saw or heard nothing first hand, do not convince me of wrong doing. I was looking for it as I read both documents and open to seeing it, but did not see a quid pro quo statement.

the democrats are once again excited about 'getting him', just like with mueller investigation. the republicans view this investigation as another attempt by the democrat politicians to undo the 2016 election because they don't like trump personally and don't consider his election in 2016 legitimate. the democrats also don't consider the long-time election rules of this country legitimate. finally, the democrats don't consider the americans who voted for trump legitimate, which is the biggest kick in the stomach of all.
That was not a transcript. It was a summary, and said so specifically at the bottom of what he released, if you read it.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee View Post
Are you referring to the transcript that the president has already released unredacted to the public? the transcript is out for all to see!

Conjecture and speculation about trump's intent is not proof of an impeachable offense. there is hard evidence of trump's bad behavior, but not quid pro quo which was the original charge against the president before transcript and whistleblower's reports were released. the transcript and a whistleblower complaint, comprised totally of hearsay as the person admitted s/he saw or heard nothing first hand, does not convince me of wrong doing. I was looking for it as I read both documents and open to seeing it, but did not see a quid pro quo statement.

the democrats are once again excited about 'getting him', just like with mueller investigation. the republicans view this investigation as another attempt by the democrat politicians to undo the 2016 election because they don't like trump personally and don't consider his election in 2016 legitimate. the democrats also don't consider the long-time election rules of this country legitimate. finally, the democrats don't consider the americans who voted for trump legitimate, which is the biggest kick in the stomach of all.
Trump withheld funding from Ukraine just before the telephone call, no explanation to the various agencies. Don't you find it strange that Trump had just held up $250M in aid and neither party raises that issue but the funds are released right after the meeting. Trump asks that him about Biden's son and Zelenskyy indicates he will ask the prosecutor to investigate Burisma. Trump continues to sing the praise of the prosecutor that was removed for some unknown reason.


Why is Trump and his staff so involved in Ukraine, and why does he just want this one company investigated, doesn't he have other examples of corruption in Ukraine or is Burisma the only possibility.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Mount Dora, FL
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Its about damn time. Need to throw this bumbling con artist out the white house.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Its about damn time. Need to throw this bumbling con artist out the white house.
Gonna have to wait until 2024.........you can do it though.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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Its about damn time. Need to throw this bumbling con artist out the white house.
I don’t think you understand how this works, two thirds votes in the senate makes success of impeachment impossible. Trump has a 94% approval rating among Republicans, there is no chance he is removed from office.

The founding fathers reserve impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors requiring a supermajority 2/3 approval in the senate, this doesn’t even come close to a high crime (there is no crime). We get the chance to impeach a president every four years at the ballot box, this is just a show by the Dems desperate to appease the far left
 
Old 09-27-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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https://www.apnews.com/5ff1520d5e5e4159b85172bb635d46e9

Here is a short analysis of impeachment, and what gets a President impeached. The AP is a neutral news source in my experience, without news hype. It supplies news stories to newspapers and other media outlets.

It is not a long read.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 08:59 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Originally Posted by Patsfan20 View Post
Gonna have to wait until 2024.........you can do it though.
Yep, it took us 8 years to get the Racist Obama out of the White House.
 
Old 09-27-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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I'm not all on board for impeachment.
SEems lots of folks aren't.

Hmmm -- folks aren't saying they think Trump's actions are OK or they approve ...they may be saying that the risk of not impeaching him and the Dems losing some voters next year is the big risk.

Not necessarily 'support' for the President or thinking his actions are all okay.

Yeah -- it's all the media's fault because folks -- except for Trump's base can't make up their own mind...(sarcasm).
 
Old 09-27-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
I'm not all on board for impeachment.
SEems lots of folks aren't.

Polls show a +10 point jump in impeachment support already. I think once people fully digest the seriousness of Trump's attempted extortion, the numbers will probably end up 60-35 in support.
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