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Old 09-29-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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For once I agree with you Dave, it's almost as if people just read the somewhat misleading title of the thread and then comment without actually reading what it is they are commenting on!
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Old 09-29-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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For once I agree with you Dave, it's almost as if people just read the somewhat misleading title of the thread and then comment without actually reading what it is they are commenting on!
I just shake my head in disbelief how stupid some people are. I said in an earlier post, that I have seen lots of sharp pointed kitchen knives on sale this very day in a supermarket. It's like I'm talking in a foreign language, as they carry on waffling about maybe we should stock up on chopsticks. It's just nuts.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Watch my lips. The British government are not going to ban sharp pointed knives.
True. But there was a newspaper report a few months back of a bill introduced in the House of Commons that would have done just that.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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True. But there was a newspaper report a few months back of a bill introduced in the House of Commons that would have done just that.
I have heard of no such bill to introduce a ban on Kitchen Knives, and there are no plans to ban kitchen knives.

There was the Offensive Weapons Act 2019, however no where in the act does it mention a ban on kitchen knives, it does however bring it stricter rules to help prevent knife crime in public, but this is very different to having a kichen knife in your home.

Offensive Weapons Act 2019 - Wikipedia

Other legislation included the Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Act 2018, which doubled the sentencing powers of the courts in relation to those who assault emergency workers (forst responders) and of course their was Finn's Law also known as the The Animal Welfare (Service Animals) Bill which came in to effect on the 8 June 2019, and which offers greater sentecing powers in relation to service (police and emergency service) animals such as police dogs and horses.

Other than that I know of no other bills or acts, or any planned ban on pointed kitchen knives, indeedit would be a brave Government that tried to ban the sale of pointed kitchen knives and I very much doubt the present Government has any such plans, whilst the UK Parliament is in such disarray at the moment it would be lucky to pass any legislation.


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Old 09-29-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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Amid Push for Knife Control, UK Shows Gun Control Doesn’t Increase Safety. The U.K. already criminalizes the purchase or possession of various types of knives, and the carrying of any knife with a blade longer than 3 inches in public is illegal unless it is carried “with good reason.” Self-defense is not considered a good reason.


Not allowed to defend yourself.


https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/04/...-hasnt-worked/


So if you are attacked, you cannot have a knife or gun to defend yourself.
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Old 09-29-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Amid Push for Knife Control, UK Shows Gun Control Doesn’t Increase Safety. The U.K. already criminalizes the purchase or possession of various types of knives, and the carrying of any knife with a blade longer than 3 inches in public is illegal unless it is carried “with good reason.” Self-defense is not considered a good reason.


Not allowed to defend yourself.


https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/04/...-hasnt-worked/


So if you are attacked, you cannot have a knife or gun to defend yourself.
The Law relating to Offensive Weapons in public goes back to 1953, and the Mayor of London does not make laws that is the remit of parliament, whilst operational matters in relation to the police in London are the remit of the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Cressida Dick, the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) and the Home Office.

Elected Mayor's and Crime Commissioners in the UK do have some responsibility in terms of police resources and crime in their area, however they do not have any powers in terms of operational matters.

So the Article is pure nonsense and the law has been that you can not carry a weapon of any sort and has been since 1953, and the police have the right to stop and search if they have ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect you’re carrying any sort of weapon. As for knives there has been varying tightening of the legislation over the years, however you can generally carry a knife if you have good reason such as employment and in terms of small folding knives (pocket knives) you are allowed to carry them.

Offensive weapon - Wikipedia

Prevention of Crime Act 1953 - Wikipedia

Selling, buying and carrying knives - GOV.UK



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Old 09-29-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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The Law relating to Offensive Weapons in public goes back to 1953, and the Mayor of London does not make laws that is the remit of parliament, whilst operational matters in relation to the police in London are the remit of the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Cressida Dick.

So the Article is pure nonsense and the law has been that you can not carry a weapon of any sort and has been since 1953, and the police have the right to stop and search if they have ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect you’re carrying any sort of weapon. As for knives there has been varying tightening of the legislation over the years, however you can generally carry a knife if you have good reason such as employment and in terms of small folding knives (pocket knives) you are allowed to carry them.

Offensive weapon - Wikipedia

Prevention of Crime Act 1953 - Wikipedia

Selling, buying and carrying knives - GOV.UK


But what I posted is true, you cannot carry ANYTHING to defend yourself. You are at the mercy of criminals.
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Old 09-29-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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But what I posted is true, you cannot carry ANYTHING to defend yourself. You are at the mercy of criminals.
True, and that is the bottom line, even in your home, you can NOT legally use a weapon, or anything, to defend yourself.
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Old 09-29-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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But what I posted is true, you cannot carry ANYTHING to defend yourself. You are at the mercy of criminals.
You can not carry anything classed as a weapon in public and neither can anyone else, however you can use anything that comes to hand and you can take self defence lessons such as krav maga.

You can also use reasonable force, and even beyond reasonable force to defend your property and yourself.

You may also pick up anything that is at at hand to defend yourself and your property including a knife, and can use violence that results in the death of the other party. You could also use a gun such as a shotgun if you fear for your life but you must not carry on attacking the intruder even if you’re no longer in danger or pre-plan a trap for someone - rather than involve the police.

A recent case was that of a man who legally stabbed an intruder to death with a kitchen knife in London.

Hither Green stabbed burglar Henry Vincent lawfully killed - BBC News

Using reasonable force against intruders - GOV.UK
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Old 09-29-2019, 04:05 PM
 
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True, and that is the bottom line, even in your home, you can NOT legally use a weapon, or anything, to defend yourself.
No, that isn't the bottom line, and it isn't true. As has already been explained.
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