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View Poll Results: In USA elections, is it legal or illegal to ask for assistance from a foreign entity?
With regard to election law in the USA asking for assistance from a foreign entity is generally legal. 7 9.86%
With regard to election law in the USA asking for assistance from a foreign entity is always illegal. 64 90.14%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-30-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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In other words, Trump was asking somebody to help him in his re-election bid, who was illegal to ask help from on that matter.

Had he asked the same thing from, say, some US-based consultant, it wouldn't be a big deal.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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List of candidates on the ballot that would be affected? Neither Biden or Trump have been nominated by their parties. Oh that’s “pretty straight forward”, there are none.

Now it’s your turn to make up another “crime”.
Wrong. Trump is sitting POTUS and the other Republican candidates cancelled their primaries so he is the only nominee.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...engers-1483126
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Executive Order 13848 1(a), Sept 12 2018

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...ates-election/
Interesting. That EO doesn't actualy prohibit anything. Instead, it directs the DNI to report on foreign election interference after an election.

The areas of concern regarding interference are unauthorized accessing of election and campaign infrastructure or the covert distribution of propaganda and disinformation.

It doesn't purport to make foreign assistance (which is not the same thing as interference) illegal.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:45 AM
 
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Apples and oranges.

When the Democrats hired Steele, a British man, to research and write the dossier, it was a contract between private parties. No government officials or public monies involved. 100% legal. When Democrats asked Ukraine for dirt on Trump in 2016, that was asking for information, not a campaign contribution. No government officials or public monies involved.

Trump, on the other hand, pressured Ukraine by withholding public funds and used his public office to do it. That's where he crossed the line. You can't use public office for personal gain.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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What Trump did is highly illegal, and GOP would be smart to at least admit the fact, as opposed to cover it up.
Yet neither you nor anyone else can find a law that makes it illegal.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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I see you're still buying the "Hillary ordered the Steele Dossier" propaganda.
It's a fact that I've never heard anyone deny. Does anyone else share James's belief?
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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???

The president of the Ukraine is a foreign national. That's who Trump was asking for a favor from.
Trump is not a foreign national. The statute doesn't apply to him.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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I see you're still buying the "Hillary ordered the Steele Dossier" propaganda.
well that's what your buddy Elliot told me

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When the Democrats hired Steele, a British man, to research and write the dossier, it was a contract between private parties. No government officials or public monies involved. 100% legal.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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Apples and oranges.

When the Democrats hired Steele, a British man, to research and write the dossier, it was a contract between private parties. No government officials or public monies involved. 100% legal. When Democrats asked Ukraine for dirt on Trump in 2016, that was asking for information, not a campaign contribution.
Why would the involvement of government officials be relevant? I do agree with the last sentence quoted above.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Trump is not a foreign national. The statute doesn't apply to him.
You are being deliberately obtuse in your effort to maintain your denial.

Here are the facts:

1. Being a foreign national, it would be illegal for the president of the Ukraine to provide any contribution to Donald Trump's campaign (or any other US campaign for that matter).
2. Donald Trump asked the president of the Ukraine for assistance in his campaign, in the form of digging up dirt on Joe Biden, a political rival.
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Therefore, Donald Trump asked the president of the Ukraine to do something illegal.

The only gray-ish area is whether digging up dirt on a political rival counts as a 'contribution.' However, it's clear to me it does.
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