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Old 10-01-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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Recently, it came out that Environment Canada spoliated 100 years worth of climate data that does not match alarmist climate theory. From the Toronto Sun (link):

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Canadians already suspicious of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax are likely be even more suspicious given a report by Ottawa-based Blacklock’s Reporter that Environment Canada omitted a century’s worth of observed weather data in developing its computer models on the impacts of climate change.

The scrapping of all observed weather data from 1850 to 1949 was necessary, a spokesman for Environment Canada told Blacklock’s Reporter, after researchers concluded that historically, there weren’t enough weather stations to create a reliable data set for that 100-year period.

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Blacklock’s Reporter, which describes itself as “the only reporter-owned and operated newsroom in Ottawa” focusing on intensive reporting of government documents, notes that in many cases the observed temperatures scrapped by Environment Canada in creating its computer models, were higher in the past than today.

For example, Vancouver had a higher record temperature in 1910 (30.6C) than in 2017 (29.5C).

Toronto had a warmer summer in 1852 (32.2C) than in 2017 (31.7C).
This is on a par with the more famous destruction of weather records by East Anglia University in Great Britain. See Climate scientists shut out sceptics by turning down data requests. To be fair, some scientists deny or minimize the significance of the destruction, see Scientists Return Fire at Climate Skeptics in 'Destroyed Data' Dispute.

But when the warmistas are urging massive changes in lifestyles and drastic curbs on consumption, spoliation, the legal term for deliberate destruction of data does not add confidence. Nor, for that matter, did the 18 minute gap in the Watergate tapes. Nor, for that matter, did the 18 minute gap in the Watergate tapes. The liberal side had a bit of fun with that, if you recall, during 1973-4.
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Old 10-01-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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“What makes all doctrines plain and clear?
About two hundred pounds a year.
And that which was proved true before,
prove false again? Two hundred more.”


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Old 10-01-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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The Toronto sun is a useless rag.

Overall, we rate the Toronto Sun, Right Biased based to story selection and editorial positions that favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of sourcing and scientific positions that do not align with the consensus of science.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/toronto-sun/

Here are the real records..

July 30, 2009 Vancouver, British Columbia 34.4 °C (93.9 °F)

Sept. 25 2017 Toronto, Ontario 33.6 °C (92.48 °F)

Highest temperature ever recorded in Toronto... 38.3 C on Aug. 25, 1948.

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Old 10-01-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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The Toronto sun is a useless rag.

Overall, we rate the Toronto Sun, Right Biased based to story selection and editorial positions that favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of sourcing and scientific positions that do not align with the consensus of science.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/toronto-sun/
What bias does mediabiasfactcheck have?
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Old 10-01-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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Garbage in, GARBAGE OUT!!!

Climate SCAM!!!
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Old 10-01-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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The Toronto sun is a useless rag.

Overall, we rate the Toronto Sun, Right Biased based to story selection and editorial positions that favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of sourcing and scientific positions that do not align with the consensus of science.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/toronto-sun/
Is it not a fact that the data was destroyed? Is it not a fact that Vancouver had higher temperatures in earlier years than now? For that matter have temperature records for New York City from July 1936 been exceeded?
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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Is it not a fact that the data was destroyed? Is it not a fact that Vancouver had higher temperatures in earlier years than now? For that matter have temperature records for New York City from July 1936 been exceeded?
Apparently not destroyed....Only destroyed according to denier sites like WUWT.

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The Toronto sun is a useless rag.

Overall, we rate the Toronto Sun, Right Biased based to story selection and editorial positions that favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of sourcing and scientific positions that do not align with the consensus of science.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/toronto-sun/

Here are the real records..

July 30, 2009 Vancouver, British Columbia 34.4 °C (93.9 °F)

Sept. 25 2017 Toronto, Ontario 33.6 °C (92.48 °F)

Highest temperature ever recorded in Toronto... 38.3 C on Aug. 25, 1948.
This is the actual data for September 25, 2017 (link).

Toronto had a high that day of 81° and a low of 20°. The average high and low (average for period from 1981-2010) is 64.2 for a high and 51.2 for a low. The mean was 75.1° as opposed to a normal mean of 58°. A very warm day, to be sure, but your recitation of the "records" don't "fact check." And your site for media bias does refer to the site as right wing, but certainly no "Breitbart."
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:11 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Recently, it came out that Environment Canada spoliated 100 years worth of climate data that does not match alarmist climate theory. From the Toronto Sun (link):

This is on a par with the more famous destruction of weather records by East Anglia University in Great Britain. See Climate scientists shut out sceptics by turning down data requests. To be fair, some scientists deny or minimize the significance of the destruction, see Scientists Return Fire at Climate Skeptics in 'Destroyed Data' Dispute.

But when the warmistas are urging massive changes in lifestyles and drastic curbs on consumption, spoliation, the legal term for deliberate destruction of data does not add confidence. Nor, for that matter, did the 18 minute gap in the Watergate tapes. Nor, for that matter, did the 18 minute gap in the Watergate tapes. The liberal side had a bit of fun with that, if you recall, during 1973-4.
From your own link:
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To be fair, the fact that it omitted observed weather data from 1850 to 1949 in developing its computer models is not evidence in and of itself of an attempt by Environment Canada to mislead the public.

Omitting observed historical weather data from computer models is common in climate science because of differences in the quality of the reporting of weather data today, compared to 1850 when historical records started being kept.

Also, weather is not climate.

Computer climate models don’t claim to predict what the weather will be like on any given day, month or year.

They predict long-term weather and climate patterns.

Climate scientists test their validity by assessing whether their models predicting future climate patterns can explain climate change patterns in the past, which is based on more data than that provided solely by historical records.

Finally, the fact that in some cases regional temperatures were warmer in the past than today, does not disprove the theory of human-induced climate change.
Would you trust a doctor who made a diagnosis and treatment plan for your ailment based on the medical knowledge that was state of the art for 1850? One would hope not. The years from 2014 - 2019 have been the hottest in the earth's recorded history. This past summer the world's forests from the Amazon to Siberia were up in flames, Alaska hit all time records for its highest temperatures ever, and Europe was consumed by an unprecedented heat wave which killed hundreds.

Yet you chose to focus on scientists discarding data that is suspect due to faulty instrumentation in one small place on the globe. . Maybe you should go back to counting all the moths smashed on your windshield during your last road trip.

Last edited by Colorado Rambler; 10-01-2019 at 10:38 AM.. Reason: dang typos!
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Is it not a fact that the data was destroyed? Is it not a fact that Vancouver had higher temperatures in earlier years than now? For that matter have temperature records for New York City from July 1936 been exceeded?
Check out New York for yourself....The data is below.

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php
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