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Old 10-02-2019, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Somewhere between the Americas and Western Europe
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Exactly.

When Harvard stops taking legacy admits or athletic admits (which are disproportionately white) - then we can have a conversation.

Interestingly, the Asian American students at Harvard pretty much support the holistic admissions process.


Why do we have to wait until then to have that conversation?

Legacy admissions don't help advance lower-economic class whites.


(Interestingly, affirmative action and race based quotas ALSO don't end up helping poor minority students, either. Instead, you get the elite crop of minorities).



Raced-based affirmative action is bad for anyone who actually would REALLY stand to gain for some extra consideration in their lives in education and business. That would be lower class blacks, whites, hispanics. Right now you can check off your diversity box by letting in the sons of South American robber barons or African princes.

Real comforting for a kid whose dad is a mechanic and mom's a cashier but happens to be white. I'm sure he can be comforted by that privilege he has in comparison while he studies works a part time job in the summer while the Colombian robber baron's son vacations in Spain.


If race based considerations were removed and focused more on socioeconomic status, I'd venture you'd see the mix of Jewish whites (whose families are disproportionately wealthy) fall in comparison to non-Jewish whites. You'd also have a shift of more blacks from the lower classes, and a bump up in Asians.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Most Jewish people are white and Harvard doesn't require that applicants disclose their faith.


It's not that white people are underrepresented, it's that gentiles aren't keeping up with their Jewish and Asian counterparts. Whose fault is that?
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Well my daughters would have been discriminated against by Harvard. They are white and asian. That's ok they got good educations anyway. Screw those racists.
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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Most Jewish people are white and Harvard doesn't require that applicants disclose their faith.


It's not that white people are underrepresented, it's that gentiles aren't keeping up with their Jewish and Asian counterparts. Whose fault is that?
So you agree that religion nor race should appear anywhere on the application?

BTW, I'm fine with private universities using any policy they choose.

Public funded universities should be 100% blind to race and religioun.
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Somewhere between the Americas and Western Europe
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Most Jewish people are white and Harvard doesn't require that applicants disclose their faith.


It's not that white people are underrepresented, it's that gentiles aren't keeping up with their Jewish and Asian counterparts. Whose fault is that?


Careful: Lots and lots and lots of the same arguments lodged in 2019 against "white people writ large" vis-a-vis "privilege," "self promotion," "supremacy/our people first," "resource distribution," "in-group preferences," are the same ones often lodged against Jews - historically and at present.

In fact, that was basically Hitler's biggest ***** (he really didn't care about people of other faiths, and actually admired Islam for its supremacist qualities).


It's ALMOST as if the very foundation of liberal intersectional "social justice" is ripped from Mein Kampf with the characters changed around a bit.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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You can certainly disagree with the ruling, but your title is misleading. The judge detrmined there was no conscious bias. That left open the question as to whether there was unconscious bias, of course. But the judge's decision was not to approve discrimination. The judge found none. Again, feel free to dispute that but your title is misleading regarding what the decision actually was.
Not sure what you read but the judge ruled nothing of the sort. The judge ruled (in line with previous SCOTUS rulings) that as long as race was used in a narrow and well defined way, then the benefits of utilizing it outweighed the fact that it is state sanctioned racism (i.e. racism is evil, unless it helps the 'right' people, in which case it's acceptable). Given that, the title is not misleading.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Exactly.

When Harvard stops taking legacy admits or athletic admits (which are disproportionately white) - then we can have a conversation.

Interestingly, the Asian American students at Harvard pretty much support the holistic admissions process.

They were admitted. The Asians filing the lawsuit against Harvard who had not been admitted felt differently.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Most Jewish people are white and Harvard doesn't require that applicants disclose their faith.


It's not that white people are underrepresented, it's that gentiles aren't keeping up with their Jewish and Asian counterparts. Whose fault is that?
You clearly don't know what the lawsuit was about yet you commented.

Brilliant.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: New York
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Most Jewish people are white and Harvard doesn't require that applicants disclose their faith.


It's not that white people are underrepresented, it's that gentiles aren't keeping up with their Jewish and Asian counterparts. Whose fault is that?
Now look at the Harvard President (the past THREE) I believe, now look at the executive board, then look at the admissions officers, you will find a common theme between all of these people.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Say a non-White racial group is upset or discriminated against due to policies, laws, or practices that favor White people. One would think they would also be against such practices that upset or discriminate against White people. Not always, especially those who have the mindset of "Now it is time for the White race to become oppressed". In other words, those non-White people have a hypocritical or double standard mindset. So much for equality.
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