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And yet most people don't turn it basically fully automatic with a bump stock and use high capacity clips... Want to stop mass shootings, limit magazines to five to ten and ban bump stocks. The NRA actually agrees with the bump stock.
It has been explained to you before but, a runner band or belt loop will work just like a bump stock. Smaller magazines would just be changed fast and would not slow down the shooter. You are not gong to stop crazy people. For the record, a bump stock makes shooting less accurate.
If I go and have my wisdom teeth out and I have a heart attack and die in the dental chair, my family could become fabulously wealthy.
If I get run over by an employee-driven forklift at Home Depot, my family (or I, if I get seriously hurt but not killed) could become fabulously wealthy.
If I go to Walmart and some kid drops their sippy cup on the floor and I slip in the water and get knocked out, I could become fabulously wealthy.
And on and on and on.
The question is, who should be responsible to pay for these claims? Obviously the shooter is responsible, but I'd guess that most of the time, they are not able to pay millions of dollars. Maybe gun owners need to take out insurance policies, just like you take out insurance for a car. The cost should be minimal because as gun owners like to point out, gun incidents hardly ever happen, but when they do, the policies could pay out the damages.
So the people who don't shoot anyone should pay the victims of those who do? That makes no sense at all. Because we know that criminals won't worry about having insurance.
I assume you know the answer to the obvious question "How come soldiers, marines, sailors, cops, fire fighters dont get this?" But just in case you don't, the answer is that they are not victims. They do a job that they are compensated for.
I agree. The company should not pay the victims. The country should. Until the United States has the courage to do something about these mass shootings, the blood is on OUR hands and the money should be taken from US.
Do the mass shooter survivors deserve millions in settlement? Is it not excessive? So you were about to be killed or you are close to someone who was. That means you can become an instant millionaire.
How come soldiers, marines, sailors, cops, fire fighters dont get this?
The LV MGM victim families like 58 people settle for $735 million dollars. So now they are newly minted millionaires. I bet you Morgan Stanley/Raymond James etc etc financial advisors are going to be all over these people.
I can understand if you were imprisoned unjustly. You suffered for long time directly because of gubment. Its like being tortured.
But its not like MGM Grand caused the mass shooting to happen. Why they held accountable? I doubt the victims families have the financial might to fight MGM for years making any settlement worthwhile.
I find your whole perspective really strange.
Do they 'deserve' to be millionaires? Maybe not, but neither do they 'deserve' to be victims.
What I find it particularly strange - your statement the 'you can become an instant millionaire' as if that is something desirable in exchange for being part of a gun massacre. Very odd.
Depends on what you think a human life (yours, your mother, father, sister, brother, husband, wife) is worth, and what you think the responsibility of the venue is worth.
The guy took an arsenal up to his room, without issue.
In this day of mass shootings and angry people, hotels -- especially Vegas hotels, should greatly up their security because that is the state of our country, unfortunately. Public places simply are not really safe any longer, so private companies are going to have to take better security precautions.
I suspect MGM can afford it, and do feel responsible.
The standard capacity magazine for an AR chambered in .556 is 30 rounds. It is not high capacity. The standard capacity magazine for a Glock 19 is 15 rounds. It is not high capacity. I realize this is not what the shooter used in this case but standard magazine capacities are dependent on the firearm. The call for 10 round limits makes no sense and will not pass muster.
For a hunting rifle like the AR-15, or standard handgun like the Glock 19 why in God's green earth would you need anything beyond a ten round clip? My father who has hunted and owns guns that I have used for target practice don't even understand that logic.
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It has been explained to you before but, a runner band or belt loop will work just like a bump stock. Smaller magazines would just be changed fast and would not slow down the shooter. You are not gong to stop crazy people. For the record, a bump stock makes shooting less accurate.
For the record, accuracy isn't the point when you are looking for a body count though. He wasn't sniping for a single individual in a large crowd like you see in the movies or television, he wanted to indiscriminately maim or kill as many as he could. This too has been explained too people like you before when the deflection of bump stock accuracy is mentioned.
As for smaller magazines. It would of course be possible to load fast but unless you do it correctly, you have a case where you can easily jam the gun. Can't tell you how many times I named a single shot rifle on a Boy Scout range...
So the people who don't shoot anyone should pay the victims of those who do? That makes no sense at all. Because we know that criminals won't worry about having insurance.
Yeah because they didn't follow protocol and let it slip through the cracks. Many places changed their hotel do not disturb policy in light of this, especially in tourist destinations like Disney World, Universal and of course, Vegas. The hotel didn't think of checking the amount of cases which for a convention MIGHT be reasonable, but they would need to know an actual convention was in town to corroborate the story without setting off the BS alarm.
As a security guard for events, there is a BS alarm for stories. The NFL changed it bag policy last year to being fully clear minus the 4.5-6.5 inch wallets and clutches. No if ands or buts. I can't tell you how many "season ticket holders" still claim this year that they were let in the last time with the same bag. Unless the lapsed for the last year, they are clearly lying.
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I find your whole perspective really strange.
Do they 'deserve' to be millionaires? Maybe not, but neither do they 'deserve' to be victims.
What I find it particularly strange - your statement the 'you can become an instant millionaire' as if that is something desirable in exchange for being part of a gun massacre. Very odd.
They won't be. Most go to hospital bills, doctor bills and funeral bills. Maybe some lost wages thrown in too. The actual amount that a class action suit gets over the actual physical damage is rather low.
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Depends on what you think a human life (yours, your mother, father, sister, brother, husband, wife) is worth, and what you think the responsibility of the venue is worth.
The guy took an arsenal up to his room, without issue.
In this day of mass shootings and angry people, hotels -- especially Vegas hotels, should greatly up their security because that is the state of our country, unfortunately. Public places simply are not really safe any longer, so private companies are going to have to take better security precautions.
I suspect MGM can afford it, and do feel responsible.
Yep. Sadly though people think MGM Resorts was attacked for no reason. They did, neglect. They are liable.
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