Ukranian Government Agrees to Review Biden Case Again

[EveryLady]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Why was Hunter Biden, a foreigner with absolutely no experience in the industry, appointed to their board?

Burisma hired Hunter Biden because of his last name. There are two versions of his value to Burisma, with the truth no doubt some combination. That Hunter Biden had zero experience in the gas industry is irrelevant. That's true of many Board members in many corporations; you misunderstand their role.

The Burisma money laundering investigation drove his appointmentt but not in the way that Giuliani would have you believe.

Version 1: "I believe the only reason Burisma and Zlochevsky were inviting people with such names [Hunter Biden, a former Polish President, a former CIA official and Romney advisor] was to whitewash their reputation and to present themselves as a company doing legitimate business in Ukraine," says Daria Kaleniuk, head of the nongovernmental Anti-Corruption Action Center in Kyiv.
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/76657...den-allegation Burisma trotted them out as the 'new face of Burisma.'

Version 2: Biden on the Board sent a signal to Ukraine for it not to further investigate Burisma and Zlochevsky to spare Biden embarrassment. Not at all uncommon in Ukraine to establish connections for power or protection. (A Ukrainian official made an interesting comment about this practice but I didn't bookmark it.) This may have not, however, been been needed. Zlochevsky already had a strong relationship with then-President Poroshenko with the two together implicated in corrupt activities. But then the old 'second ace in the hole' couldn't have hurt.

Hunter Biden remained on the Burisma Board until recently. That his father needed to reach out into an already corrupt cesspool to get him the job is laughable with absolutely no evidence other than Giuliani saying so.

It is undeniable that the son of the vice president should not have been on the Board. Trump should have limited himself to making political hay out of it. The Democratic comeback would have been: But look at Ivanka.

So Trump instead turned to Zelensky in what sure looks like an attempt not to "dig up dirt" but to create it in the form of an investigation with Hunter Biden's name on it.

Burisma remitted payments to Hunter Biden's firm (Board fees for Hunter Biden/Devon Archer, firm consulting payments). The Board fees while high are not out of line for major corporations. That a Board member separately consults for the firm is legal under Ukrainian law. Giuliani says it is not. Pretty much every entity that has looked into this disagrees.

[T-310]

Originally Posted by TwoByFour

This is pro forma - a nod to Trump but won't amount to anything. It will have no effect on the impeachment.

No one will be impeached. Sorry to spoil your wet dream.

[EveryLady]

Originally Posted by erasure

"The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.
But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden."


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WC1LV



Was Burisma still operating on these permits in 2014 ( that were issued to Zlochevsky while he was still the Minister of Ecology), or did the company simply owed huge fines ( that would still affect Hunter Biden's gains) - that's what difficult to understand.



You know the answers by any chance?

Probably. Not sure I grasp the point. Burisma, a major gas corporation, would go out of business and Hunter Biden's fees disappear? Sure that would be too bad for Hunter.

But that's not what Giuliani is saying (or maybe he did somewhere - that man does ramble): His primary goal is to implicate Hunter Biden personally in corruption. He can't even tie him to being on the scene when there was alleged Burisma misconduct. Much less tie Hunter Biden to those actions.

[EveryLady]

One other observation. Giuliani switches between who is the good prosecutor (Shokin - Lutsenko) who the bad prosecutor (Lutsenko - Shokin) so fast your head spins. Various prosecutors change their stories and Giuliani pivots to come up with a new theory.

His current proposal is that Lutsenko now the bad guy was put it by Biden to close the Burisma investigation. Previous it had been active but (under Shokin) dormant. The big hole is that appears to be:

In 2016, a Kiev district court said it had found no evidence of criminal wrongdoing by Burisma president and owner Zlochevsky and ordered the Prosecutor General’s Office to remove him from the authorities’ wanted list apparently bringing the entire Burisma money laundering investigation (except for a minor tax investigation) to a close.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1W91UG

Biden got to the courts, too? There is a reason most reviewers find Giuliani's assertions to be baseless.

Lutsenko (who wanted the ties to the Trump administration to solidify his power base) fed Giuliani a tale. Lutsenko from his comments appears to have also relished the thought of an American investigation involving Biden, who dared to interfere with Ukrainian prosecutorial practice.

[Northman83]

Originally Posted by EveryLady

Burisma hired Hunter Biden because of his last name. There are two versions of his value to Burisma, with the truth no doubt some combination. That Hunter Biden had zero experience in the gas industry is irrelevant. That's true of many Board members in many corporations; you misunderstand their role.

The Burisma money laundering investigation drove his appointmentt but not in the way that Giuliani would have you believe.

Version 1: "I believe the only reason Burisma and Zlochevsky were inviting people with such names [Hunter Biden, a former Polish President, a former CIA official and Romney advisor] was to whitewash their reputation and to present themselves as a company doing legitimate business in Ukraine," says Daria Kaleniuk, head of the nongovernmental Anti-Corruption Action Center in Kyiv.
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/76657...den-allegation Burisma trotted them out as the 'new face of Burisma.'

Version 2: Biden on the Board sent a signal to Ukraine for it not to further investigate Burisma and Zlochevsky to spare Biden embarrassment. Not at all uncommon in Ukraine to establish connections for power or protection. (A Ukrainian official made an interesting comment about this practice but I didn't bookmark it.) This may have not, however, been been needed. Zlochevsky already had a strong relationship with then-President Poroshenko with the two together implicated in corrupt activities. But then the old 'second ace in the hole' couldn't have hurt.

Hunter Biden remained on the Burisma Board until recently. That his father needed to reach out into an already corrupt cesspool to get him the job is laughable with absolutely no evidence other than Giuliani saying so.

It is undeniable that the son of the vice president should not have been on the Board. Trump should have limited himself to making political hay out of it. The Democratic comeback would have been: But look at Ivanka.

So Trump instead turned to Zelensky in what sure looks like an attempt not to "dig up dirt" but to create it in the form of an investigation with Hunter Biden's name on it.

Burisma remitted payments to Hunter Biden's firm (Board fees for Hunter Biden/Devon Archer, firm consulting payments). The Board fees while high are not out of line for major corporations. That a Board member separately consults for the firm is legal under Ukrainian law. Giuliani says it is not. Pretty much every entity that has looked into this disagrees.

YES! (in bold)

That family members of politicians getting lucrative positions is NOTHING NEW, and should not be allowed. And could be used against Biden perfectly legally!
Just let FOX put it on repeat during the elections.

However, Trump went full Conspiracy loon and wanted fake corruption charges made up to benefit himself personally.
Pressuring Ukraine with US military aid they needed to fend of Russian forces.

Ukraine most likely would eventually cave and make up charges for Trump, just to get the Anti-tank missiles they desperately needed. Even though there is NO proof Hunter Biden was involved in a scandal that happened 4-5 years before he was even hired.



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