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Old 10-13-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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Romney 2012 was a joke. Many Republicans do not hold Romney in high regard because he lost in a winnable election.

 
Old 10-13-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Trump is the head of the party. They are trying to cancel more primaries so Trump will not be challenged.
And they constantly complain about the DNC 'rigging' elections". The RNC is actively refusing to allow anyone to challenge Dear Leader.

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Romney 2012 was a joke. Many Republicans do not hold Romney in high regard because he lost in a winnable election.
No lie - it IS hard to beat an incumbent. Something Dems would do well to remember.
 
Old 10-13-2019, 05:44 PM
 
Location: DFW
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And they constantly complain about the DNC 'rigging' elections". The RNC is actively refusing to allow anyone to challenge Dear Leader.

No lie - it IS hard to beat an incumbent. Something Dems would do well to remember.
And Obama in 2012 was any different ?

There is no difference as much as y'all would like to think there is.
 
Old 10-13-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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Not a poll. Just a comment.

Romney would be a winner against Trump in a GOP primary contest.

That's why Trump went after him. Trump is a coward who trolls on twitter.

Romney a good choice and a conservative.

Trump is neither.
Are you trolling?
 
Old 10-13-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Romney 2012 was a joke. Many Republicans do not hold Romney in high regard because he lost in a winnable election.
The black vote was 100% mobilized for that election. This will never happen again until the next black wins a party nomination. Do not underestimate the power of the black vote. Trust me, Dems don't. In fact, they expect it in order to stay relevant.
 
Old 10-14-2019, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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If Romney was to run and win the presidency, he would not have Republicans to thank. He would have to thank moderate and sensible Democrats. The militant radical left will push hard for Warren, Sanders, and Harris, but the majority of common sense Democrats will cross party lines and vote for Romney. While he is not what they really want, he is much closer to it than either Trump or the militant leftist fringe that is trying to take over the party they love.
Romney couldn't beat a very beatable Obama in 2012. Why in the world would we trust him again in 2020?
 
Old 10-14-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Romney couldn't beat a very beatable Obama in 2012. Why in the world would we trust him again in 2020?
No, that is a false statement. Obama was a strong candidate and won reelection easily. With both Popular and electoral wins.

All I am saying is Trump is beatable. The pictures of our troops running out of Syria as fast as they can are damaging.

Trump's call with Turkey not being released. Trump saying sanctions, sanctions yet nothing happening.

This all because he tried to hide illegal activity with Ukraine.

Romney is honest, a good family man, has ideas which may pull both sides together.

All Trump is doing is trying to deflect from his own problems. Putting them on others.

Romney looking better every day.
 
Old 10-14-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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And Obama in 2012 was any different ?

There is no difference as much as y'all would like to think there is.

It is true that four states canceled their primaries in 2012: Connecticut, Delaware, New York and Virginia.



The reason being that Obama was the only qualified Democratic candidate in each primary.
 
Old 10-14-2019, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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It is true that four states canceled their primaries in 2012: Connecticut, Delaware, New York and Virginia.



The reason being that Obama was the only qualified Democratic candidate in each primary.
Trump has candidate's running against him now.

Need one strong GOP member who is willing to go against Trump's policies and all the lies. China agreement just the latest.

Romney the better choice for the GOP.
 
Old 10-14-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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Trump is really screwing the pooch allowing the Turks to invade Syria.
How is what Turkey does vis a vis Syria an American responsibility? Turkey is a NATO member, and so are we. Technically, that makes Turkey the ally, not Syria. Go look at that much vaunted agreement we signed on to all those years ago. Say it again - Turkey...IS...a...NATO...member.

Welcome to the sticky wicket of being in NATO, or more appropriately, being a member in the same NATO that allowed Turkey to be a member.

There are no good solutions once you've meddled into the absurd world of Middle East geopolitical hostility. As the Obama admin said when they started our involvement in this particular endless war - there are no good options, just "least bad" ones.

Turkey was going to unilaterally invade Northern Syria no matter what. Erdogan considers the PKK a terrorist organization, regardless of what we consider them. The PKK is not in NATO, Turkey is. So you have an official ally telling you to your face that whether your guys are there or not, they are rolling across a border and they don't GAFF how you feel about it.

And once more for those not paying attention - Turkey is in NATO. So what is Trump supposed to do? Officially back forces that a NATO ally considers a terrorist threat? I get that Erdogan is a freaking nutbag tyrant, no doubt...but his country and ours are part of the same silly little defense cabal, and it has rules.

Least bad option - get our people out of the way, have POTUS take heat instead of American troops being between a NATO ally and their real targets. That puts America first, remarkably.

Of course it has bipartisan opposition. Both parties are The War Party, because soooo much money changes hand between the 535 rulers and the DoD corporate cronies. War is AWESOME for the racketeering and skimming bidness. The more the better, the longer the better. Even their use of NATO is not based on the treaty, but on the treaty's usefulness to bidness at any given point.

If NATO membership means firing bullets, launching missiles and doing stuff that makes the war machine money, then they hold up NATO membership like Moses brought the agreement down off the mountain on stone tablets. However, if NATO membership means getting out of another member's way and NOT firing bullets....well, then NATO membership is suspect and there is bipartisan opposition, UN resolutions, etc. Peace, oddly enough, pisses off the global corporate war machine.

And that's where we are right now. Trump getting out Erdogan's way is being opposed not because of lofty "save teh Kurdz!! nonsense, as if 400 troops would accomplish that anyway. It is being opposed because either OUR corporate war machine isn't the one making the profit off all the bullets/rockets/missiles being fired, or we are a silent partner and need this faux moral outrage to make it look like we aren't profiteering off stuff everyone knows we are profiteering off of, or both.
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