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According to some of the articles I’ve read, it sounds like the state health officials feel that they are offering the second opinion and in turn, denying the ME. I’m really not confident that going to yet another specialist would mean anything to them since they, themselves feel that they are already providing that second opinion without ever even talking to Ameer or his family. Crazy times.
This is just too much for parents. Educating a child like Ameer or even like my Luke takes the money & training that only a school district could provide. You need adaptive devices, sensory toys, PT, OT, ST & other living, breathing people to help.
I could no more homeschool my Luke than these parents can wave a magic wand & make Ameer walk again.
Those vaccines are a scourge & everyone reading this thread today will see them for what they are soon. Keep pushing A99; NY; lets get this show on the road.
You are correct and I say this as a former NY Special Ed TA who has worked with Severity Students, including those with CP in wheel chairs, epilepsy, autism, etc. They are entitled to receive these services under Federal Law, once they have been diagnosed and have an IEP in place. If they aren't receiving them in school, the school district is required to provide services (OT, PT, etc.) at HOME. The school district will have the FEDS on them for denying special needs children their services. It is not just a matter of simply home schooling him. Not aneasy solution for Special Ed students which NY did not consider in their rush to judgment. While the challenge for ending Religious Exemption was denied in the courts, there is another for Special Ed Students with Medical Exemptions which is still pending. Ameer is not the only child in this suit. As I have stated before, this all falls under the Federal Americans with Disabilities Act.
coschristi, my grandson was diagnosed with epilepsy (seizures) and autism (speech and behavior issues). He received OT, PT, ST, at 2 years old at home proved by the school district until he was 3 and could receive these services in a school setting. Yes, it takes a number of specialists to work with special needs children. A parent cannot do it all alone at home.
According to some of the articles I’ve read, it sounds like the state health officials feel that they are offering the second opinion and in turn, denying the ME. I’m really not confident that going to yet another specialist would mean anything to them since they, themselves feel that they are already providing that second opinion without ever even talking to Ameer or his family. Crazy times.
It sounds like the decision is really at the school level. The state has nothing to do with it except sway the decision.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
The principal is the one who can make the final call, which is insane.
Right, the principal is the one who makes the final call. You are right that the state health officials are offering a second opinion to the principal to help him/her decide whether or not to grant the exemption. That state official ruling is designed to help protect the principal from personal legal responsibility if the child gets the vaccine and what the parents claim will happen does, it gives the principal something called “qualified immunity” so the guy doesn’t lose his house for trying to make a tough no-win decision. Qualified immunity essentially means that the principal is protected if they do something that “a average similarly placed person in this situation would reasonably do”. Right now, with conflicting evidence from two medical professionals, the principal/school system are erring on the side of herd immunity for the protection of all the children, and your average principal, given what they know, might reasonably make the same decision. This is why having a parent’s obtained second opinion matters, it helps erode the qualified immunity by having multiple professionals, including more than one specialist in that particular disease, tell them it will harm the child - meaning an average principal most likely would start to err on the side of the one child over the risk to all the other children. Trust me, a second opinion from another specialist, along with a carefully worded letter from a lawyer stating they are officially warning the school that they will consider getting the vaccine to be done so under duress, will change the administrations mind.
One other important function sending the cases to the state medical folks does, and I suspect a large part of what they are trying to achieve, is to identify if a particular doctor is trying to issue an excessive number of these exemptions. If the same doctor is writing more than a couple of them there needs to be an explanation.
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Right, the principal is the one who makes the final call. You are right that the state health officials are offering a second opinion to the principal to help him/her decide whether or not to grant the exemption. That state official ruling is designed to help protect the principal from personal legal responsibility if the child gets the vaccine and what the parents claim will happen does, it gives the principal something called “qualified immunity” so the guy doesn’t lose his house for trying to make a tough no-win decision. Qualified immunity essentially means that the principal is protected if they do something that “a average similarly placed person in this situation would reasonably do”. Right now, with conflicting evidence from two medical professionals, the principal/school system are erring on the side of herd immunity for the protection of all the children, and your average principal, given what they know, might reasonably make the same decision. This is why having a parent’s obtained second opinion matters, it helps erode the qualified immunity by having multiple professionals, including more than one specialist in that particular disease, tell them it will harm the child - meaning an average principal most likely would start to err on the side of the one child over the risk to all the other children. Trust me, a second opinion from another specialist, along with a carefully worded letter from a lawyer stating they are officially warning the school that they will consider getting the vaccine to be done so under duress, will change the administrations mind.
One other important function sending the cases to the state medical folks does, and I suspect a large part of what they are trying to achieve, is to identify if a particular doctor is trying to issue an excessive number of these exemptions. If the same doctor is writing more than a couple of them there needs to be an explanation.
The smoke and mirrors/turf the decision back to the district is a CYA move for administration and has nothing to do with the safety of the kids. The principal, who has NO MEDICAL BACKGROUND, is erring on the side of media-driven public opinion. No more, no less.
Show of hands: How many think the principal is better qualified to make this decision than the child's own doctor? The principal is given a form. The doctor has 9 years experience and history taking care of the child.
Does anyone know how many children in NYS were granted an exemption? I cannot find any information. If I were a bettor, I'd bet every child that is undergoing treatment for cancer gets the exemption.
Does anyone know how many children in NYS were granted an exemption? I cannot find any information. If I were a bettor, I'd bet every child that is undergoing treatment for cancer gets the exemption.
Have a kid with cancer who 'can't' get vaccinated (like Suzy's son at one point) & the world fawns over you like you are some kind of martyr nailed to a cross.
Have a kid with brain damage, autistic brain damage (like my son) or seizures that cause brain damage (like Ameer) from the vaccines who can't get vaccinated & the world slams the door in your face.
What's the difference?
Kids with cancer can't be vaccinated with live vaccines because due to their compromised immune system; they are at risk of getting the disease FROM the live vaccines.
Vaccine efficacy is closely monitored & considered the 'greatest advantage of modern medicine' the world has to offer. Kids with cancer who get the vaccines will have a HIGHER rate of getting the disease the vaccine was supposed to prevent. The efficacy of vaccines is so closely monitored that there is no way to lose those cases in Big Data.
Kids with cancer CAN be vaccinated with non-live vaccines but they won't work & they will get the disease the vaccine was supposed to prevent if they are exposed to the disease.
Increased incidence of vaccine-preventable disease = implied non-efficacy of vaccines & it is impossible to lose that in the Big Data
Vaccine injuries are notoriously under-reported & will largely be considered a coincidence (like ASD & SIDS) & between lack-luster monitoring, doctors being wrongly educated that adverse events following vaccination are not actually due to vaccines & the media censorship/blackouts regarding vaccine deaths & disability ... Kids with vaccine injury CAN be lost in Big Data.
See what I am getting at here?
Kids with cancer are a threat to the holy vaccines if they GET vaccinated but kids with seizures & autism are a threat to the holy vaccines if they don't because that means 'the VACCINES ARE BAD for me' due to my inconvenient disability. Just like Ameer's 'inconvenient for vaccines' disability.
So in reality; nobody's KIDS are being fawned over as martyrs nailed to a cross; the vaccines are. Vaccine policy & program is the ultimate priority; not ANY of the kids.
Seriously; it takes a lot of work to make vaccines wrongly appear as the 'greatest advantage of modern medicine' the world has to offer. So much so that nobody cares about making safer vaccines.
Last edited by coschristi; 10-17-2019 at 09:12 AM..
We can accept that some kids can die from eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich yet we can’t accept that some kids with LGS have severe seizures requiring multi day hospital stays after getting vaccinated, even when their pediatric neurologist who specializes in epilepsy who has been treating them for nine years says so. No gray area. Weird world we live in.
Last edited by MissTerri; 10-17-2019 at 09:56 AM..
Have a kid with cancer who 'can't' get vaccinated (like Suzy's son at one point) & the world fawns over you like you are some kind of martyr nailed to a cross.
Have a kid with brain damage, autistic brain damage (like my son) or seizures that cause brain damage (like Ameer) from the vaccines who can't get vaccinated & the world slams the door in your face.
What's the difference?
Kids with cancer can't be vaccinated with live vaccines because due to their compromised immune system; they are at risk of getting the disease FROM the live vaccines.
Vaccine efficacy is closely monitored & considered the 'greatest advantage of modern medicine' the world has to offer. Kids with cancer who get the vaccines will have a HIGHER rate of getting the disease the vaccine was supposed to prevent. The efficacy of vaccines is so closely monitored that there is no way to lose those cases in Big Data.
Kids with cancer CAN be vaccinated with non-live vaccines but they won't work & they will get the disease the vaccine was supposed to prevent if they are exposed to the disease.
Increased incidence of vaccine-preventable disease = implied non-efficacy of vaccines & it is impossible to lose that in the Big Data
Vaccine injuries are notoriously under-reported & will largely be considered a coincidence (like ASD & SIDS) & between lack-luster monitoring, doctors being wrongly educated that adverse events following vaccination are not actually due to vaccines & the media censorship/blackouts regarding vaccine deaths & disability ... Kids with vaccine injury CAN be lost in Big Data.
See what I am getting at here?
Kids with cancer are a threat to the holy vaccines if they GET vaccinated but kids with seizures & autism are a threat to the holy vaccines if they don't because that means 'the VACCINES ARE BAD for me' due to my inconvenient disability. Just like Ameer's 'inconvenient for vaccines' disability.
So in reality; nobody's KIDS are being fawned over as martyrs nailed to a cross; the vaccines are. Vaccine policy & program is the ultimate priority; not ANY of the kids.
Seriously; it takes a lot of work to make vaccines wrongly appear as the 'greatest advantage of modern medicine' the world has to offer. So much so that nobody cares about making safer vaccines.
Thanks for posting this. It's good to know.
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You are correct and I say this as a former NY Special Ed TA who has worked with Severity Students, including those with CP in wheel chairs, epilepsy, autism, etc. They are entitled to receive these services under Federal Law, once they have been diagnosed and have an IEP in place. If they aren't receiving them in school, the school district is required to provide services (OT, PT, etc.) at HOME. The school district will have the FEDS on them for denying special needs children their services. It is not just a matter of simply home schooling him. Not aneasy solution for Special Ed students which NY did not consider in their rush to judgment. While the challenge for ending Religious Exemption was denied in the courts, there is another for Special Ed Students with Medical Exemptions which is still pending. Ameer is not the only child in this suit. As I have stated before, this all falls under the Federal Americans with Disabilities Act.
