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Old 10-09-2019, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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His sorry behind getting impeached. And having his corruption exposed and whatever legacy he has destroyed. It's coming anyway. Probably by the ballot box and a bunch of books that will be written by former Trump admin officials.

Telling your people not to respond to a subpoena is obstruction. Plain and simple.
LOL, books.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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You don't vote on ousting criminals.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Exactly. The Dems want to be able to say Trump is obstructing, but refuse to compel him. All a game to keep it going for longer. It will end the same way as Russia, with egg on the Dem faces.
Each time they cry wolf it has less and less credibility. The wobbler vote is already lost. Expect Trump for 4 more.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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You don't vote on ousting criminals.
If there was a criminal to oust, you've got to vote just like the other times. It's called PRECEDENCE!

Too bad there's no criminal, though.

MAGA 2020!
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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All two other times?

The fact is the House and the Senate are each free to define the process of "how" their respective portions of the impeachment process work.

Further facts - there is nothing requiring a vote for an impeachment inquiry to be "official".
What you really mean is that the Speaker of the House, not the House, is free to define how the impeachment process works. Paul Ryan could have declared, the next R Speaker can declare about a D prez, 'Impeachment Inquiry.' Since there's nothing in the Constitution about a majority vote necessary to impeach, perhaps Pelosi could declare Republicans can't vote
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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How about a federal judge make the ruling like was done to compel Nixon to turn over evidence?

That's where I've heard it might ultimately head. That subpoenas can be challenged, and that merely challenging a subpoena doesn't amount to obstruction of justice. Some pundits (and IiIRC also both Rudy and 'the letter') have made the point that the House actions to this point haven't allowed Trump due process. If the House's actions so far are upheld judicially, that would be a different kettle of fish, and Trump would be instructed to comply by the court.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:49 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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What you really mean is that the Speaker of the House, not the House, is free to define how the impeachment process works. Paul Ryan could have declared, the next R Speaker can declare about a D prez, 'Impeachment Inquiry.' Since there's nothing in the Constitution about a majority vote necessary to impeach, perhaps Pelosi could declare Republicans can't vote
Probably more accurate, yep.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:51 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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That's where I've heard it might ultimately head. That subpoenas can be challenged, and that merely challenging a subpoena doesn't amount to obstruction of justice. Some pundits (and IiIRC also both Rudy and 'the letter') have made the point that the House actions to this point haven't allowed Trump due process. If the House's actions so far are upheld judicially, that would be a different kettle of fish, and Trump would be instructed to comply by the court.
An impeachment inquiry isn't a court of law, I'm thinking "due process" is a pretty weak legal argument - but I'm not a lawyer.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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His sorry behind getting impeached. And having his corruption exposed and whatever legacy he has destroyed. It's coming anyway. Probably by the ballot box and a bunch of books that will be written by former Trump admin officials.

Telling your people not to respond to a subpoena is obstruction. Plain and simple.

1. Some on these threads have asserted that they are requests, not qualifying as subpoenas because the formal process, as followed in the past, hasn't been followed (resulting, so far, as claimed, in denying Trump due process). Are you 100% sure....legally....that those people are wrong ?


2. Are you 100% sure...legally....that, even if (in #1) they are valid as subpoenas, that that situation doesn't somehow fall under executive privilege ?
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:58 AM
 
Location: NC
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Yet every single time there has been an official impeachment inquiry of a president there has been a vote authorizing it. If they didn't really need one, why has it literally always happened?
False. Look up your history.
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