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Old 10-09-2019, 10:49 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Tripwires in the middle east is just ignorant. The whole region is in flames, we've supported regime change after regime change only to see things get much worse. The American people are sick of it, we see the situation for what is it, a giant cluster**** that we should have no part in. Not one more american soldier should die in that god forsaken middle east desert.
The whole idea is to keep any one faction from coalescing into a dominant force so that the conflicts can be kept regional. We use all sorts of excuses to make the goal seem more noble. But something like ISIS taking over the whole region or how the Taliban completely controlling Afghanistan is definitely not good for us because it allows them to focus their efforts on harming Americans.

Now if we just drop all pretense that America is a force of good which I think Trump is trying to do, we can sit down with Russia and China and have gentlemen’s agreements on how to divvy up the world into spheres of influence without stepping on each other’s toes. We allow the Chinese to handle HK and Uighers and Russia to do what they want in Ukraine and any former Soviet Republics. The Middle East will be split because of oil interests and the tendency for different factions to lean toward terrorism. I’m not advocating for this world view but I’m sure it’s how Trump sees the world.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Why do you still live here?
Why do you care? Mind your own business.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:55 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Because we love the country, just not the clowns at the helm..
I love these fools think that if you reside in a nation its your obligation to act like a mindless obedient lackey.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Yeah, let's pat Donny on the back for throwing our allies the Kurds under the bus while we continue to waste taxpayer $$$ in Afghanistan where there's nothing to accomplish that couldn't have been accomplished in the last 17 years.

Any word on when we'll see a new Trump Hotel in Istanbul?
There's already a Trump Towers (yes, that's right - towers, plural) in Istanbul.

But let's hear it from the horse's mouth:

"In a December 2015 interview with the right-wing news outlet Breitbart, then-candidate Trump responded to a question about Turkey’s reliability in the fight against ISIS by saying he had a “little conflict of interest,” speaking of the Trump Towers in Istanbul. It’s unclear exactly how much money Trump and his companies get from those twin structures, which include an office tower and a residential building complete with wine cellar. Financial disclosures suggest he’s pulled in between $3.2 million and $17 million from the arrangement with site developer Aydin Dogan since he first launched his presidential campaign, according to a report in Mother Jones."

This article, from Fast Company (https://www.fastcompany.com/90414334...syria-surprise), goes on to explain:

"Critics also pointed to a tweet from 2012 where Ivanka Trump thanked Turkish prime minister Recep Erdoğan for helping to “celebrate the launch” of the towers.

[...]

Amid the criticism, Trump tweeted that “if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!).”

I think that clears things up a bit. At least we can count on Trump and his great and unmatched wisdom.

All this information is available in the public domain, but some more context from NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...ght-n1064011):

"In the summer of 2016, Erdogan called for the removal of the Trump name from the buildings after Trump called for a ban on individuals from certain Muslim countries traveling to the United States.

Then, in November 2016, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, soon to be Trump's first national security adviser, wrote an op-ed favorable to Erdogan, who has consolidated his power and locked up thousands of people after a failed 2016 military coup, including many who had nothing to do with it.

Flynn, who was paid $530,000 for consulting work in Turkey prior to the 2016 election, violated U.S. law in not registering with the U.S. government for the work until almost a month after he was fired as Trump’s national security adviser in February 2017.

Trump, at the time, said the U.S. shouldn’t criticize Erdogan for a crackdown that’s included taking over dozens of television and radio stations and arresting reporters, according to Human Rights Watch. He even told reporters he gave “great credit to him for turning it around."

“It’s exactly why you don’t want the president to be in business,” said David Cay Johnston, who wrote a book, “It’s Even Worse Than You Think,” that examines Trump’s foreign conflicts of interest. “You don’t know whose water he’s carrying, except in Donald’s case, it’s always his own water.”

This is all objectively very bad and very shady. It is more evidence of Trump directing foreign policy based on what he stands to win or lose. I don't see how Trump's supporters can't see how this is going to make things so much more difficult for the US to operate in the global economy under future presidents. This kind of blatant deal making on the part of the president has tainted the entire office of the presidency. This is exactly what Trump's critics predicted before he ever set foot in the White House and they were right.

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:13 AM
 
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It's always a plus to get out of the US echo chamber to see the take of others. Israel, for example:

Haaretz - Analysis Trump's Decision to Abandon Syria's Kurds Is Bad News for All U.S. Regional Allies
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...lies-1.7958372

Jerusalem Post - CAN ISRAEL TRUST THE U.S. AFTER SYRIA WITHDRAWAL? An erratic Washington, even one that appears more pro-Israel than previous administration, leaves more questions than answers. Israel’s enemies exploit that kind of uncertainty.
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ca...hdrawal-603978

Times of Israel - Trump’s new actions, inactions on Kurds, Syria, Iran have Israel deeply worried
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps...eeply-worried/

The concern is, of course, this opens the door to Iran.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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We shouldn't have even be in Sryia to start with.. that is a failed Obama/Clinton operation.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Others have asked why not have the UN patrolling the border zone? Why not bring in Germany or France? Trump did not give them time. Turkey moved within three days.
It could have been arranged, but Trump got ROLLED by the Turks, and he RAN.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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We shouldn't have even be in Sryia to start with.. that is a failed Obama/Clinton operation.
Ever hear of ISIS?
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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We shouldn't have even be in Sryia to start with.. that is a failed Obama/Clinton operation.
I thought US troops were there to support the Kurds fighting ISIS. Or was Obama wrong to go after ISIS in Syria? Obama got criticized for waiting too long to fight ISIS and now you are criticizing him for sending US forces to support the Kurds who ultimately destroyed ISIS. Get your story straight, man.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Ever hear of ISIS?

Yes, Enhanced/Integrated ISIS is a routing protocol used in CLUS fabric networks used in the Cisco Data Center(SDN) solution.
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