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Old 10-09-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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No, Turkey cannot invoke NATO when it takes the offensive. NATO is a defensive alliance.

Turkey could try to make the case like the US did for Afghanistan, in that Kurds are basing attacks out of Syria and potentially can establish a state to continue to support a rebellion against Turkey, which is in fact what they are going to try to do, but even if successful, i doubt this would include any supporters of the Kurds, but they would be potential targets in the combat area.
Fox News had an interview with a US special forces operative. He said that absolutely was not happening. The Kurds were living up to the Free Zone Agreement.

The operative used the word "ashamed" as he and the other U.S. forces now stand aside (they are still in-country) while the Kurds they worked with not four days ago plead for assistance. This is very disturbing.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Fox News had an interview with a US special forces operative. He said that absolutely was not happening. The Kurds were living up to the Free Zone Agreement.

The operative used the word "ashamed" as he and the other U.S. forces now stand aside (they are still in-country) while the Kurds they worked with not four days ago plead for assistance. This is very disturbing.
Yes, they are not...yet, that is why Turkey is invading, a preemptive measure. It is a fact that the Kurds have been in a state of rebellion against Turkey going on 40 years now, dozens and dozens of terror attacks included. To think Turkey would allow a semi-autonomous Kurd state to form next to it, thus used as a base to instigate further rebellion in eastern Turkey is ridiculous, of course they are not going to allow it.

As for the soldier, sorry dude, you do not make policy, that is what elected leaders do. If he feels such shame, then no shame can exceed the BS Iraq War that was not needed and lies used to justify.

And again for the 50th time, the US is under no obligation nor agreement with the Kurds for anything aside from ISIS. I have no idea where you or anyone get that the US somehow has a formal alliance with a non-state entity, one that is heavily and directly linked to a rebel movement that includes terror attacks against a fellow long term, NATO ally Turkey. These Kurds in fact provide direct support for Kurdish terror factions.

Imagine if Turkey supported the Taliban the same way? You all would lose your damn minds about it.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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The Republicans who’ve been enabling and continue to enable this self-obsessed, incompetent idiot in the White House are 100% to blame for this mess. Kurdish blood is on their hands, especially that spineless bootlicker Lindsay Graham.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:25 PM
 
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Where the actual EFF are any of the European nations and what are they doing about Turkey? Why aren't the other NATO nations speaking up or "doing something"? Why is the US the only nation that has to "do something" about the ****holes on the other side of the planet? Why can't the effing UN step up and help the Kurds since everyone thinks this is a humanitarian crisis? GMAFB. This fight is not worth my son's life.

No one is running over here from Europe to help us with 100K people a month pouring over our border.

The Kurds would have been fighting with or without us being there. Yes they helped us because it was in their interest to do so. We should not be getting in the middle of what has been going on for years anyway.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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Well its not like the Kurds actually get along. They fight amongst themselves plenty. At the end of the day you have to ask....whats in it for the US? Oil? nope, Syria doesn't have much and we have plenty. Democracy? we gave up on that a long time ago in the region. Stability? Not gonna happen there.

My guess is Trump is playing the long game with Turkey. Erogon survived a failed coup a few years ago, the currency is worthless, this will be an up-popular war for the Turk people and Erogon will fail and we will support a new leader and have a stronger buffer vs Russia.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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The Republicans who’ve been enabling and continue to enable this self-obsessed, incompetent idiot in the White House are 100% to blame for this mess. Kurdish blood is on their hands, especially that spineless bootlicker Lindsay Graham.
Bullsh*t. None of this is on Trump. We have no duty and no right to be the world's policeman.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:35 PM
 
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Where the actual EFF are any of the European nations and what are they doing about Turkey? Why aren't the other NATO nations speaking up or "doing something"? Why is the US the only nation that has to "do something" about the ****holes on the other side of the planet? Why can't the effing UN step up and help the Kurds since everyone thinks this is a humanitarian crisis? GMAFB. This fight is not worth my son's life.

No one is running over here from Europe to help us with 100K people a month pouring over our border.

The Kurds would have been fighting with or without us being there. Yes they helped us because it was in their interest to do so. We should not be getting in the middle of what has been going on for years anyway.
So many good points in so little space!
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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Bullsh*t. None of this is on Trump. We have no duty and no right to be the world's policeman.
Yeah it was Obama that drew the phone red line in the sand.

Dems have been crying about pulling out of foreign wars and policing the world forever now....But Trump does it and he's a murderer?
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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You can't build nations with bullets and bombs any more than you can perform surgery with a chainsaw. You either raze everything and kill anything that moves or you go home.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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So many good points in so little space!
Thank you. I am PO'd at every effing person crying about Kurds in this and every other thread. Same people that scream about the US in endless wars. Pick up an effing rifle or send your kid. My kid deploys in less than a month to one of these ****holes so anyone crying over Kurds can kiss my ass.
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