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Old 10-10-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Its simple. You never abandon your allies. Quite frankly what Trump did was treasonous in nature. He abandoned long standing allies. No one in the military would ever agree with this. So when Trump wants to act like he is pro-military well BS.
Even my crayon eating friends are appalled.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:50 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Its simple. You never abandon your allies. Quite frankly what Trump did was treasonous in nature. He abandoned long standing allies. No one in the military would ever agree with this. So when Trump wants to act like he is pro-military well BS.
Turkey has been our ally for over 60 years. No one in the military agreed with dropping pamphlets warning of impending air strikes but the left supported Obama's policy. The Military didn't agree with Obama's very selective targeting of bad guys that the Military felt needed to be hit. Since when does the left give a damn what the Military agrees with?
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:50 PM
 
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Honor? The left had no problem with abandoning our own in Benghazi.

Honor? We have no business in Syria. We invaded them.

Honor? Why are we putting our troops in harms way in a conflict that was and is none of our business?
We made commitments. The Kurds were fighting ISIS. You deny that? That would be silly. We just screwed the people that did the heavy lifting. Comment on that!
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:50 PM
 
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The Kurds live in the region, we are 7,000 miles away. We worked together to fight ISIS, for that I’m thankful and they should be too. But we cannot fight every enemy the Kurds have, it’s beyond time that the people who actually live there decide to fight or find a solution on their own.
Even if I buy that nonsense, you don’t do it with zero notice while providing targeting data to their enemy.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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Even my crayon eating friends are appalled.
Likely only because their hatred of Trump out weighs reason. We have no business in Syria, not our fight, but we certainly made it worse by invading. I was appalled that we invaded yet another country that had done nothing to us to result in such actions.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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I would not have. Betraying your allies like this is unacceptable. It’s weird how so many folks would be willing to throw their honor away for political team waving.
No its not weird to want stay out of another forever war.

Its comical that war mongering nutcases see themselves as the voice of reason. Delusional even.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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Lol. I’m probably older then you. The answer is you negotiate out a solution among these folks. Like a adult. Betraying your allies is morallt wrong, and means that NO ONE Can trust us anymore to not stab them in the back on the battlefield. Which means in the future we will have less allies, and probably more death and wars.

You don’t think the Kurds won’t look for some payback?
Yet the number one complaint from foreigners is that we meddle in everyone else's affairs. Stop being a hypocrite. You cant complain about wars and them cry for the poor Kurds. Someone had to be the adult and make a hard decision. It sure wasnt Bush or obama.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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We made commitments. The Kurds were fighting ISIS. You deny that? That would be silly. We just screwed the people that did the heavy lifting. Comment on that!
Nope they are fighting ISIS because they hate ISIS more than they do us. We are Turkey's ally for over 6 decades. Do you deny that?

This wasn't our fight and it had nothing to do with us. I like the Kurds more than the Turks. As I said before, if it were up to me I would put the King Of Jordan in charge of the entire region.

Commitments? Do we have signed treaties with the Kurds, because we do with the Turks.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:55 PM
 
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Its obvious; you'd be willing to get american servicemen killed and maimed just to habe a contrarian policy.
ZERO cred.
You sign up in the military to defend the constitution and the values of america, Something you are unwilling to to do do to your ridiculous liberterian views.

I know I have put me beliefs to the test by by sacrifice.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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the Kurds only needed some more time to consolidate their territory in Syria, and then could have defended it themselves. All they would have needed then is our material support in communications, some weaponry and other goods.
Wrong....the Turks have vastly superior military power, including tanks and aircraft. The Kurds do not. They have no chance against the Turks, period....

Having said that, we still cannot keep troops in every hot spot in the world. We can no longer be the world's police, we can no longer solve every conflict. And yes...people will die if we don't.
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