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Old 10-13-2019, 04:47 PM
 
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Agreed. Although I can find some sympathy for the Kurds, we still needed to pull out...as we should pull out of most countries we have troops in....
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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This left over from the Ottoman Empire days.

Read your history book from HS.

Arabs VS Persians.

It will get ugly.

All on Trump.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Syrian Army aka Russia. Trump handed Syria to Putin and Iran.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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What it means is that the Kurds, having found out that the US is an unreliable ally, have now decided to ally themselves with the Syrians. Lost one friend and gained an enemy.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Too bad the Pentagon didn't get the message there were to be no more U.S. troops in Syria.

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The American military was unable to transfer about five dozen “high value” Islamic State detainees out of Kurdish-run wartime prisons before the Pentagon decided to move its forces out of northern Syria and pave the way for a Turkish-led invasion, according to two American officials.

In the same area on Sunday, hundreds of Islamic State sympathizers escaped from a low-security detention camp in the region, taking advantage of the chaos caused by the Turkish ground invasion and the accompanying strikes.

Both developments underscored the pandemonium unleashed by President Trump’s sudden decision to order American troops to evacuate part of the Syrian region bordering Turkey.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/w...gtype=Homepage
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:58 PM
 
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one more time. Slowly. The American people will not tolerate us losing lives helping an ally. At least not long enough to do them any good. Its not Trump...….. its the American people.

Stunned? not very much. After I watched the fall of Saigon in 1975...…….nothing "stuns" me anymore......
I will respond with a Republican talking point from a few years ago, you might have used it yourself " Its better to fight Isis in the middle East then on our shores ". If we don't stabilize the middle East it will effect American lives directly. You know, Your just playing coy. You know your leader is wrong but it is hard to face that. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
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Old 10-13-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Turkey should be kicked out of NATO.

Why has Europe not gone in to defend their interests and left the US only to defend ?


Turkish President Erdogan was going to enter Syria regardless of what the EU, NATO or the U.S. said about it. Erdogan has the support of political Islam, that’s what is important to his objectives. The EU is so weak, they won’t kick Turkey out of NATO.

Ultimately the largest stakeholder in this dynamic is Europe, because they stand the greatest risk if Erdogan is successful and then turns his assembly toward Europe. Remember, Erdogan as President of Turkey is now the gatekeeper; and Erdogan is also a member of NATO.

Unfortunately Europe will not defend itself; will not kick Erdogan out of NATO; will not take their own ISIS fighters back for trial and punishment; and instead the EU demands the U.S. remain as perpetual zookeepers.

Ultimately President Trump is highlighting the reason why the U.S. should withdraw from NATO by spotlighting the insufferable weakness of the assembly. NATO won’t even vote to defend their own interests, so why should the U.S. be their crutch?

With Europe refusing to stand-up to defend their own interests, President Trump is removing U.S. forces from the untenable position of guarding all the big cat cages, ad infinitum, to keep the zoo status intact.

Instead, President Trump is going to support the Arab coalition and the GCC that has been assembling a military coalition to protect itself from the Muslim Brotherhood.

President Trump is correctly withdrawing U.S. troops from a position of adversarialism against a NATO member. Why should the U.S. protect the interests of allies who will not stand-up to protect themselves…

President Trump is correct.
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Old 10-13-2019, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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one more time. Slowly. The American people will not tolerate us losing lives helping an ally. At least not long enough to do them any good. Its not Trump...….. its the American people.

Stunned? not very much. After I watched the fall of Saigon in 1975...…….nothing "stuns" me anymore......
That’s most certainly not true in Afghanistan nor was it the case in Iraq. Vietnam was different because it was one country fighting a civil war as was the case in America, these are wars between countries and ethnic/religious facts factions and that will not end well.
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Old 10-13-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: DFW
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What it means is that the Kurds, having found out that the US is an unreliable ally, have now decided to ally themselves with the Syrians. Lost one friend and gained an enemy.
How long did you want us to stay in Syria, 50, 100, 200 years ?

When no one else would take the responsibility. Where is Europe? Where is Germany, Where is France ?

They should be protecting their borders from any invasions of Muslim Invaders.
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Old 10-13-2019, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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time to haul ass out of there
This is the thing, we either need to go in there in full force and put a stop to this indefinitely, or pull out. None of this in between crap because it's getting nothing done but lining up the pockets of all of the defense contractors.
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