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Old 11-10-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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White birth rates are below replacement. This is a function of being well off, you tend to have less kids. If we start to cut off immigration from nonwhite countries, immigration will drop immediately. The truth is Europeans aren't clamoring to get in the US for the most part. Now if we do cut off immigration it will negatively impact our economy. If you are on board with going through a recession due to cutting off immigration, that's up to you. Would you be more in favor of going to a quota system? Are you ok with economic and cultural stagnation?

Self-hating white traitors? Is this because national origin wasn't the greatest determining factor in deciding whether someone should be able to immigrate to this country?
No, it's a function of not being able to afford them and us not needing large families like we once did. Minorities just haven't gotten with the program. Many rely on welfare to support their broods (not saying that some whites don't also). No one is suggesting that we cut off immigration just reduce it to those we need and that will be a benefit to our society and rid our country of illegal aliens and do what we can to prevent more from getting into our country. What makes you think we'd have economic and cultural stagnation by doing the above? What does cultural stagnation even mean? We already are the most diversified country on earth.
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Old 11-10-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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Do you have proof that he had prior knowledge of the results the act would bring and deliberately misled people?
Common sense would tell you that flooding our country with 3rd world immigrants would change the demographics and culture of our country. Either Kennedy didn't have any or he purposely lied about it to gain more Democrat voters. It's the same reason that the Democrats of today don't want immigration enforcement and want another amnesty.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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The irony is totally lost on folks like you who incenssantly whine about socialism and Marxism, and yet vote for politicians who don't expand affordable child care or are hostile to the idea of it.
Not really. Consider the Deep South. The South used to be a solidly Democratic region. It has also been a region of relatively high poverty. Many supported Democrats because they felt like they were looking out for the poor and working man. However, the South is also has more African-Americans than any other region. During the 1960s, Lyndon B. Johnson supported the Civil Rights Act. Barry Goldwater did not. The Deep South voted for Goldwater rather than Johnson. The next election, neither the Democrats or the Republicans won the Deep South states. A segregationist by the name of George Wallace won that region (while losing the election).

And now I bring you to this. Lee Atwater once said that in the 1950s, people were more blunt about their hatred of Blacks. By the late 1960s, using the N word would backfire. It then turned to terms like "forced busing" and "states rights". And then things like "we want to cut this".

This is where I stand. It isn't really all that ironic in my opinion. Now, states like Montana, Wyoming, etc, I get those states. Those states are a product of the old west culture, that individualistic culture. Those places are exempt from this discussion. However, some people are okay with affordable child care/healthcare, until they realize that Blacks will benefit. Some people would be okay with an expanded safety net, until you bring up "welfare queens", and in specific, African-American "welfare queens".
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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Common sense would tell you that flooding our country with 3rd world immigrants would change the demographics and culture of our country. Either Kennedy didn't have any or he purposely lied about it to gain more Democrat voters. It's the same reason that the Democrats of today don't want immigration enforcement and want another amnesty.
Democrats want to proportionately dilute and create division against the people, gain more Democrat voters, and being part of the elite class or owned by them, increase their wealth off of population growth.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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Exactly, it is really a function of having a higher educational attainment and having career prospects. I don't have any kids at the moment, my wife and I have been married for about 4 years, but we wish to grow our careers first. When you are educated, one typically comes to these conclusions that having a lot of kids, or having any without proper planning or career prospects is a terrible choice.
I think about this. My mother comes from a large family. My father comes from a relatively small family (albeit he had siblings too). My parents had me and my brother and sister. This was in the mid 1980s-early 1990s. Flash forward to today. I'm not married, my siblings are not married either. None of us have kids either. My brother and sister are in their late 20s. I'm 33. Between my parents, they had three kids together. The three of us (myself and my siblings) concentrated on getting an education and trying to build careers for ourselves. If I had a kid today, I wouldn't be prepared to care for that child. I'm not a home owner (yet). I work hard. At the same time, my time is that, MINE. When you're a parent, you're time isn't yours anymore. You need to devote that time to raising your child.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:34 PM
 
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Exactly! it is just like the voter ID laws, despite not showing sufficient evidence of voter fraud. They will argue that it disenfranchises white voters as well, but the rate to which it disenfranchises black voters is quite a bit higher. So if you want to make sure that republicans maintain control of NC, you start with the voter ID, say there is 5 black voters for every 15 white voters. For every 1 black voter there are 3 white voters. Instituting this law would effect black people at a rate of let's say 40%, while for white voters it is 20%, now you have for every 1 black voter there are 4 white voters. Now the republicans have a comparative advantage in maintaining control of NC.

Not explaining this to you, but wanted to build upon what you said to showcase how voting for or against policies can effect white people, but if they are shown to effect black people at a disproportionate amount than some of the working class whites will vote against their interests.
We need voter ID and REAL ID. Don't have ID you don't vote, and if can't produce an REAL ID no birthright citizenship and no illegal squatting in the country, Fair and standard rules for everyone.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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You need to provide proof that there is an endemic problem with voter fraud before you get in between people and the polls. This is one of the greatest rights we have in this country, so you need a good reason to further inhibit someone's right to vote.
I disagree. It shouldn't have to be proven that non-citizens are voting in order to make sure that they aren't. How is voter ID prohibiting anyone's right to vote?
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:54 PM
 
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What idiots actually believed it ever was?

It was a politically inspired idea created to allow certain things to occur that rational people wouldn't ordinarily allow. Those of us who DIDN'T buy into it have always known this. You don't have to be particularly intelligent to understand, you just have to be less susceptible to indoctrination.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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Well culture is derivative of other cultures that preceded it. Whether you like it or not, the culture that a lot of people adapt to in the US is an amalgamation of various cultures brought over by the immigrant groups that have been and are coming to this country.

The way I see it, is a person who has a higher attainment of education typically has greater career options and options to create wealth. This wealth ensures that they will be able to live a good life in general. If you don't have these options you may start to view kids as your purpose in life, and they will be there as your retirement plan, so to speak. Even before we had social welfare programs the poor and uneducated still had a lot of kids.

The thing is a lot of people on the right, namely libertarians, support open borders. They believe in the free movement of labor as a way to increase dynamism and grow the economy. This is why you don't see a lot of republicans jumping the gun to do anything about this situation. If you start to promote pro-labor positions in our society and increased regulation, you may start to see the undocumented worker problem to be self correcting and the comparative advantage between hiring illegals and citizens would start to minimize given the pro-labor stances. Although you may be called a leftist.
You've got to be joking if you think there aren't distinct cultures in the world. Our culture is a melting or at least is used to be. Today, many immigrants aren't melting into the pot but retaining their distinct cultures instead out in mainstream.

We need to break the chain of people who keep having many kids but can't afford them and I don't care what their reasons are for having them.

What do you mean that the Republicans haven't fought open borders? Where have you been? It's only been they that has been doing so. Certainly the Democrats aren't with their lame policies on illegal immigration. Illegal aliens aren't undocumented workers either. That's not the lawful immigration term for them. There is no advantage to illegal immigration to most Americans and in fact they have negative impact on them. It's only the greedy employers and the Democrats in congress who want more future Democrat voters and to retain the ethnocentric Hispanic vote that benefit from them.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Read up about it. I used to have the same opinion as you at one point, then I realized it was more complex and nuanced than I had previously given credence to.
I've read all the lame excuses already for not having voter ID and they don't fly. If you have something better to add other than that then please supply it.
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