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So it's not so much that you're pro-black but you're anti-white? Or is that basically the same thing for you?
What do you care regardless?
The point is that I’m happy to deal with America the way it’s presently configured. I’m not starry eyed about the way I wish it could be.
It’s getting more and more diverse, and I have no issues with that.
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Not true. The immigration laws and policies have been changed recently and can be changed again.
Immigration and naturalization law is not in the Constitution, it delegates that to Congress. And actually the first Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to "free white persons of good character". It mostly stayed that way until blacks were included about 1868. Indians later and others weren't added till as late as the 1940s. So basically the founders did intend and assume US would be a majority white nation and their posterity also did who would know their intent and assumptions best up until 1965.
This country has changed since 1965, and I like the changes.
Again, European immigrants ALL knew they were immigrating to a diverse country. If they wanted homogeneity, they should’ve stayed in their mother countries.
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And that's what we had until 1965. The immigration numbers were set reasonably lower and the national origins of immigrants had to coincide with the long in the making population demographics, or as Obama himself often would say "reflect or look like the community". That way it wasn't demographic altering nor too population increasing. Why did some people want to change the long standing demographics, just benevolence ?
Why are “long standing demographics” supposed to be so important to people like myself? There’s absolutely nothing in it for me.
The new demography is good for the nation. Embrace it.
No it is recognizing that a lot of messed up things were done in the past. It doesn't take away from the great ideas and ideals that this nation was built upon. I care about upholding the rights of the individual and don't care to strip anyone of their rights because you want to uphold your collective.
I don't trash white people. There is good and bad in every group of people. What happened is what happened, I care about the future at this point. If you want to see the society and economy stagnate, fine, but most people don't and I don't care about your feelings of wanting an ethnostate. If you love white people so much, start mating with white people, move to a white area. I don't know what to tell you.
Your argument is one that is so common to right wingers. People that refuse to move along with change in society. People that are afraid of their own shadow. Politicians know that they can get you right wingers to vote against your own interest by stoking a little fear in the right wing base.
You just aren't getting it, are you? There is good change and bad change. It's not about being afraid if the change is good. It wasn't a good thing that with the 1965 Immigration Act that millions of third worlders who's cultures and languages were very different than ours and that far too many were allowed into our country within a short period time and therefore it resulted in a huge change in our demographics and culture clash. That's not a recipe for assimilation and harmony.
Again, with me it's not about skin color or race but the changing and dilution of our culture (not a melting pot like it used to be) and changing the political and social scene of our country. As I said in a prior post, I have never in my life seen such nastiness as we have in politics today. How can that not be from our changing demographics and foreign cultures? So many "immigrants" refusing to speak English in public. Some who never learn it at all. We are constantly having to build new homes, schools, jails, road and hospitals to accomodate more "immigrants" that also believe in large families.
We are more divided today than we have ever been! Look at all of this so-called progressive nonsense. Transgender bathrooms, abortion on demand, gay marriage (I have no problem with a civil union, however), people for open borders and amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, etc., removing religious symbols , the American flag everywhere to not offend foreigners, rampant welfare usage, etc. I could go on and on. It just blows my mind how we have evolved to this. None of this is good change, IMO.
You just aren't getting it, are you? There is good change and bad change. It's not about being afraid if the change is good. It wasn't a good thing that with the 1965 Immigration Act that millions of third worlders who's cultures and languages were very different than ours and that far too many were allowed into our country within a short period time and therefore it resulted in a huge change in our demographics and culture clash. That's not a recipe for assimilation and harmony.
Again, with me it's not about skin color or race but the changing and dilution of our culture (not a melting pot like it used to be) and changing the political and social scene of our country. As I said in a prior post, I have never in my life seen such nastiness as we have in politics today. How can that not be from our changing demographics and foreign cultures? So many "immigrants" refusing to speak English in public. Some who never learn it at all. We are constantly having to build new homes, schools, jails, road and hospitals to accomodate more "immigrants" that also believe in large families.
We are more divided today than we have ever been! Look at all of this so-called progressive nonsense. Transgender bathrooms, abortion on demand, gay marriage (I have no problem with a civil union, however), people for open borders and amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, etc., removing religious symbols , the American flag everywhere to not offend foreigners, rampant welfare usage, etc. I could go on and on. It just blows my mind how we have evolved to this. None of this is good change, IMO.
Where are they removing the American flag not to offend foreigners? Abortion on demand? (you mean back alley abortions, the kind that will flood the market if conservatives have their way), why against gay marriage? maybe the government could get out of marriage altogether. Removing of religious symbols? From state grounds?
You also grew up in an era where it was expected that minorities put a smile on their face and not air their grievances, and just learn to accept their treatment in society. What is this demographics clash you speak of if it has nothing to do with skin color, would Eastern European immigrants from the old Soviet bloc be acceptable?
Look, we will continue to see advancements in science, medicine, and all other fields from "third worlders" whether you like it or not. The third world is rapidly advancing and it looks like we will be a more interconnected society, unless something drastic happens. These "third worlders" will make great contributions to our country as well. At what point does someone become American? When do you stop seeing them as third worlders and start seeing them as fellow Americans? just curious.
You also haven't articulated what you mean by diluting our culture. Keep letting them sell you fear so that you start to metaphorically punch down instead of punch up to the ones who are really screwing you over.
Yeah I'm too dumb too see it No I'm advocating for better immigration polices like we had in 1964. And you are advocating for an overpopulated, minority majority communist/socialist/police state whether you realize although I suspect you do. The immigration policy changes after 1965 were artificial. It's the same old tactic, open borders or were Nazi Germany, That's insulting and implying something very racist .
Not advocating for any of that. You are the collectivist here. If you watch the video you will realize he put the communist flag up because the right winger he is talking to is pro authoritarian. No one is advocating for open borders. You have provided nothing showing that our economy can't handle the immigration. You have provided nothing showing that it is harmful to our country or people.
What is the better immigration policies that we had in 1964? You know that productive countries typically grow in population. Going with the trends around the world it will flat line somewhere around 10-11 billion and then start to drop off. You have also provided nothing to back up that this country is overpopulated.
You just aren't getting it, are you? There is good change and bad change. It's not about being afraid if the change is good. It wasn't a good thing that with the 1965 Immigration Act that millions of third worlders who's cultures and languages were very different than ours and that far too many were allowed into our country within a short period time and therefore it resulted in a huge change in our demographics and culture clash. That's not a recipe for assimilation and harmony.
Again, with me it's not about skin color or race but the changing and dilution of our culture (not a melting pot like it used to be) and changing the political and social scene of our country. As I said in a prior post, I have never in my life seen such nastiness as we have in politics today. How can that not be from our changing demographics and foreign cultures? So many "immigrants" refusing to speak English in public. Some who never learn it at all. We are constantly having to build new homes, schools, jails, road and hospitals to accomodate more "immigrants" that also believe in large families.
We are more divided today than we have ever been! Look at all of this so-called progressive nonsense. Transgender bathrooms, abortion on demand, gay marriage (I have no problem with a civil union, however), people for open borders and amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, etc., removing religious symbols , the American flag everywhere to not offend foreigners, rampant welfare usage, etc. I could go on and on. It just blows my mind how we have evolved to this. None of this is good change, IMO.
Again, because people have been brought in from the beginning of this country who never were adaptable to its society and despise every attempt made to acclimate themselves to it - they don't really care about anything otherwise. Those who bought them continue the practice of free and low wage menial labor from the "lowest common denominator" in other races and cultures (instead of selecting within their own people, and that's because it has been determined that none of their own people -whites- will accept being the lowest common denominator within their own group). This has caused, and will continue to cause racial and cultural conflicts in America.
When someone does the same thing being over and over but expects different results, they are called insane.
A new peer reviewed study by Danish academics has found that ethnic diversity has a negative impact on communities because it erodes trust.
Cultures view trust in different ways. So it is no surprise there is a negative impact putting diverse views together.
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It turns out that diversity is not a strength after all.
Diversity is a strength when a problem needs to be solved and thinking outside of the box is needed. It is not a strength when you have a problem with somebody being different from you.
They make me sick, and any minority should be outright offended by them, with their attitude of wishing they or their ancestors had "stayed home" more or less
That would not have led to the ugly diversity and immigration conflicts we have now. If only it would have started off with those who wanted to come, meaning allowing only those who could afford to purchase the right to come on their own back then, and none would have been forced or written in by an immigration act.
Where are they removing the American flag not to offend foreigners? Abortion on demand? (you mean back alley abortions, the kind that will flood the market if conservatives have their way), why against gay marriage? maybe the government could get out of marriage altogether. Removing of religious symbols? From state grounds?
You also grew up in an era where it was expected that minorities put a smile on their face and not air their grievances, and just learn to accept their treatment in society. What is this demographics clash you speak of if it has nothing to do with skin color, would Eastern European immigrants from the old Soviet bloc be acceptable?
Look, we will continue to see advancements in science, medicine, and all other fields from "third worlders" whether you like it or not. The third world is rapidly advancing and it looks like we will be a more interconnected society, unless something drastic happens. These "third worlders" will make great contributions to our country as well. At what point does someone become American? When do you stop seeing them as third worlders and start seeing them as fellow Americans? just curious.
You also haven't articulated what you mean by diluting our culture. Keep letting them sell you fear so that you start to metaphorically punch down instead of punch up to the ones who are really screwing you over.
Why don't you ask those that are advocating for the removal of our flag so as to not offend foreigners? IMO, that's the way it is in today's PC world. When I said abortion on demand I wasn't referring to back alley ones. I meant that anyone who wants one can get one as it's legal. Sorry, but I'm pro-life. IMO, a traditional marriage should be for a male and female not the same sex. A civil union to protect their assets is fine with me. No, it's not just about religious symbols from state grounds. However, no one complained about them before until this new PC agenda started which is mostly based on what foreigners want. Even our businesses are doing so at Christmas and you're supposed say and read signs that say "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas so as to not offend foreigners who aren't Christians.
I said that all wasn't good back in my early days but overall they were a lot better than the society we have today. It was wrong to discriminate against blacks of course. You don't think it's a clash in our society to see women wearing Burkas, just for one example? Of course it wouldn't want immigrants with a Nazi attitude either.
Where did I say that I don't like any positive contributions by immigrants? I just see more negatives than positives. I doubt that third worlders will ever evolve unless their governments change and I don't see that happening if at any point in time. I see "immigrants" as Americans when they stop flaunting their native cultures and speaking their native tongues in public. Blend in don't stand out! We need to stop importing so many from one ethnic group and make sure that they won't be the poor and dependent who won't contribute to our society but rather be a burden otherwise they will always remain "third world".
As for our culture, have we ever been known as a Hispanic, Asian or Muslim country in identity in the past? We are fast becoming so in certain areas of our country though that never was before. We are hearing more and more foreign languages from third worlders being spoken in public. That's not assimilation to me. I don't like feeling like I'm living in a foreign country everywhere I go. Is that too much to ask? Our language is English.
Why don't you ask those that are advocating for the removal of our flag so as to not offend foreigners? IMO, that's the way it is in today's PC world. When I said abortion on demand I wasn't referring to back alley ones. I meant that anyone who wants one can get one as it's legal. Sorry, but I'm pro-life. IMO, a traditional marriage should be for a male and female not the same sex. A civil union to protect their assets is fine with me. No, it's not just about religious symbols from state grounds. However, no one complained about them before until this new PC agenda started which is mostly based on what foreigners want. Even our businesses are doing so at Christmas and you're supposed say and read signs that say "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas so as to not offend foreigners who aren't Christians.
I said that all wasn't good back in my early days but overall they were a lot better than the society we have today. It was wrong to discriminate against blacks of course. You don't think it's a clash in our society to see women wearing Burkas, just for one example? Of course it wouldn't want immigrants with a Nazi attitude either.
Where did I say that I don't like any positive contributions by immigrants? I just see more negatives than positives. I doubt that third worlders will ever evolve unless their governments change and I don't see that happening if at any point in time. I see "immigrants" as Americans when they stop flaunting their native cultures and speaking their native tongues in public. Blend in don't stand out! We need to stop importing so many from one ethnic group and make sure that they won't be the poor and dependent who won't contribute to our society but rather be a burden otherwise they will always remain "third world".
As for our culture, have we ever been known as a Hispanic, Asian or Muslim country in identity in the past? We are fast becoming so in certain areas of our country though that never was before. We are hearing more and more foreign languages from third worlders being spoken in public. That's not assimilation to me. I don't like feeling like I'm living in a foreign country everywhere I go. Is that too much to ask? Our language is English.
I say let's give people like yourself what you want. Let's try for the ethno-state. Instead of states with the top major cities, let's do the experiment on places like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wisconsin. Maybe even throw in some southern states like Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas, too. Would be much easier for the trial. Then at the end of about five years let's see the difference between those states and the rest of racially and culturally divided America.
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No I'm advocating for better immigration polices like we had in 1964. And you are advocating for an overpopulated, minority majority communist/socialist/police state whether you realize although I suspect you do. The immigration policy changes after 1965 were artificial. It's the same old tactic, open borders or were Nazi Germany, That's insulting and implying something very racist 
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