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Old 10-13-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Its not really effective. A sniper will take you out quick. These sorts of weapons are for destroying infrastructure and really only good as a first strike weapon and as part of a squad.

The first key piece of tech is new armor materials that will resist sniper rifle rounds without taking much damage. Once you have that then its a game changer.
In most of the mass shooting situations we've already had, it would be very effective. But ya, body armor has been proven in that bank heist gone wrong.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Humor me...


What is short barrel ammunition?

How is it different from long barrel ammunition?

What is long barrel ammunition?

Why are short barrels mechanically more dangerous and deadly?


Shooting the same round, Which has a higher velocity a short barrel or longer barrel?
Well, ask WalMart. They have literally thousands of engineers, experts, and managers working for them who have come to this determination.

Short barrel ammunition is inherently more dangerous because it can be hidden underneath a long jacket or trench coat. It is designed to slaughter the unsuspecting, and clearly belongs in the hands of police or military only.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic. If the former...I just don't even know how to reply to such an uneducated statement.

Edit: You just said "Limbaugh". Do you mean the "LINEbaugh"? The Linebaugh is a revolver. What "clip"? You mean "cartridge"? The AR15 doesn't use a "clip", it uses a magazine.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
I don't know, the 475 Limbaugh came up in another thread about magnums. I had never heard of it, but a poster claimed that it was more powerful than even a magnum.

We always get into these debates over technical nomenclature in these threads. "Clip" is the normal term used in common parlance. You can see it in any TV show or movie. These are people paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to choose their words carefully. I will leave it to these experts to determine the differences between these technical terms.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:10 PM
 
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The AR-15 is clearly the deadliest, most powerful weapon ever invented by man. So if someone makes it a 'boogie man,' they would be justified. Only the 475 Limbaugh might be more powerful, but does not hold as many bullets in its clip.

I read most of the article, and do not understand why they could not prosecute this guy. The issue of 'upper' vs. 'lower' did come up in another thread. From what expert posters said, the upper is totally unregulated under the law. That is not right! You pass a background check for a gun with a particular level of power. If you wish to 'upper' that level, you should have to go through another background check.
My AR-15 can blow holes in the moon.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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We always get into these debates over technical nomenclature in these threads. "Clip" is the normal term used in common parlance. You can see it in any TV show or movie. These are people paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to choose their words carefully. I will leave it to these experts to determine the differences between these technical terms.
The same people writing shows in which they jump cars 25 feet in the air and have them continue in the chase?
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:32 PM
 
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I don't know, the 475 Limbaugh came up in another thread about magnums. I had never heard of it, but a poster claimed that it was more powerful than even a magnum.

We always get into these debates over technical nomenclature in these threads. "Clip" is the normal term used in common parlance. You can see it in any TV show or movie. These are people paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to choose their words carefully. I will leave it to these experts to determine the differences between these technical terms.
Your Hollywood “experts” are idiots.

And I was the one who said a .475 Linebaugh is more powerful than any handgun magnum. A .454 Casull is more powerful than any handgun magnum.

And what is “short barrel ammunition”?
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:42 PM
 
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Your Hollywood “experts” are idiots.

And I was the one who said a .475 Linebaugh is more powerful than any handgun magnum. A .454 Casull is more powerful than any handgun magnum.

And what is “short barrel ammunition”?

Maybe they are confused again and really meant an AR15 Chambered in .458 socom


He tried to answer my questions and said Walmart and then said short barrel ammunition is more dangerous because it's more concealable.


The joke, is that a typical AR15 Chambered in .223/5.56 can be built with any combination of barrel lengths from like 8-24". Shorter barrels are classified under pistol builds.

They all fire THE EXACT SAME AMMO.



Ironically, they don't realize longer barrels are more dangerous because they have a higher velocity and will do more damage. As an example a ln m855 round out of a 12" barrel will not penetrate level 3 body armor, but the exact same bullet through a 20 or 24" barrel will penetrate it.

I promise you, concealing a short barrel rifle in a public place would be extremely difficult. I can tell that you've never tried.

When you take the responsibility to conceal carry a pistol you look at things differently. I know I would not be able to conceal a short barrel rifle without looking completely ridiculous and out of place.

It's just another example where this left talking points don't meet with reality.
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Maybe they are confused again and really meant an AR15 Chambered in .458 socom


He tried to answer my questions and said Walmart and then said short barrel ammunition is more dangerous because it's more concealable.


The joke, is that a typical AR15 Chambered in .223/5.56 can be built with any combination of barrel lengths from like 8-24". Shorter barrels are classified under pistol builds.

They all fire THE EXACT SAME AMMO.



Ironically, they don't realize longer barrels are more dangerous because they have a higher velocity and will do more damage. As an example a ln m855 round out of a 12" barrel will not penetrate level 3 body armor, but the exact same bullet through a 20 or 24" barrel will penetrate it.

I promise you, concealing a short barrel rifle in a public place would be extremely difficult. I can tell that you've never tried.

When you take the responsibility to conceal carry a pistol you look at things differently. I know I would not be able to conceal a short barrel rifle without looking completely ridiculous and out of place.

It's just another example where this left talking points don't meet with reality.

Again, Walmart has literally thousands of experts and engineers working for them. They have moved to ban short barrel ammunition. I provided one link. You can google to find plenty of others.

I sincerely doubt that Walmart would have taken this needed step if there were no such thing as 'short barrel ammunitions.'
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The AR-15 is clearly the deadliest, most powerful weapon ever invented by man.
Most "powerful?" I think the Demon is more powerful.
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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Again, Walmart has literally thousands of experts and engineers working for them. They have moved to ban short barrel ammunition. I provided one link. You can google to find plenty of others.

I sincerely doubt that Walmart would have taken this needed step if there were no such thing as 'short barrel ammunitions.'
There isn't.

Walmart employs exactly 0 gun or ammunition engineers and designers where are you getting that nonsense from?

Walmart is caving to political cucks because they are afraid of Twitter mobs.

Shortbarrel ammunition DOES NOT EXIST. An AR15 Chambered in .223/5.56 with a 10", 16", 20" or 24" barrel will all shoot the exact same federal 55gr ammo. Exact same. The only difference is the terminal velocity, range and accuracy will increase with longer barrel length.

Walmart has never been a friend of the gun industry or hobby.

This is worth a read.

https://www.recoilweb.com/why-hornad...go-152737.html
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