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Old 10-15-2019, 10:45 AM
 
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Legally, that changes nothing. The law says she can point that gun at him, and he has to "abandon[] the encounter, or clearly communicate[] to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter".
If someone is pointing a gun at me, its survival.. no way a jury convicts this guys of murder, the police haters here will be disappointed.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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If someone is pointing a gun at me, its survival.. no way a jury convicts this guys of murder, the police haters here will be disappointed.
He violated every protocol. She had every right to point a gun at a person in her yard.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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He violated every protocol. She had every right to point a gun at a person in her yard.
Other than not identifying himself, what other FWPD protocol did he violate?
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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The officer was told to go there, once there he had no idea what was going on inside.. what you are saying goes into department policy on these wellness checks.. what happens if that lady was being held hostage in there and the police department didn't send anyone because they didn't want to trespass???
What would have happened if he had done his job according to protocol, knocked on her door, and asked if everything was ok??? If we're playing hypothetical, I like this one a lot better. She would be alive, and he wouldn't be facing justifiable felony charges. The police chief said we was about to be fired right before he resigned for not following multiple department rules and regulations. Funny how this always keeps coming back to him. Almost as if he's guilty or something?
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:59 AM
 
Location: sumter
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You think he is going to prison for shooting someone that had a gun pointed at him?????? LOL
Oh he's going to see some jail time, just a matter of how much time he will get.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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Oh he's going to see some jail time, just a matter of how much time he will get.
The way his own department has distanced themselves from him, with none of the usual attempts to shield him from prosecution, I'd say it will be substantial jail time.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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Other than not identifying himself, what other FWPD protocol did he violate?
He was supposed to knock on the front door.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: sumter
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If someone is pointing a gun at me, its survival.. no way a jury convicts this guys of murder, the police haters here will be disappointed.
I wouldn't bet my life on that. A jury of mostly white males probably won't convict him, so it all depends. I don't hate cops, I have two in my family and have friends with them in their family as well. You can criticize cops without being a cop hater.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: sumter
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The way his own department has distanced themselves from him, with none of the usual attempts to shield him from prosecution, I'd say it will be substantial jail time.
I sure hope so, a strong message needs to be made.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:10 AM
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Other than not identifying himself, what other FWPD protocol did he violate?
As far as I can tell:

parking the car down the street, so the residents would have no way to see a cop car
not knocking on the front door and calling out that PD is there
not identifying himself when he told her to show her hands
not leaving his finger off the trigger until it was his intent to shoot.

That's kind of a petri dish of mistakes, IMHO.
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