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Old 10-14-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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No, it isn't. It returning money back to the taxpayer which is the exact opposite of what socialism accomplishes.
As a taxpayer myself, where’s my share?
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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As a taxpayer myself, where’s my share?
You have a federal income tax liability? or are you talking the tax you pay on your McMuffin? LOL.

If you don't actually pay more into federal income taxes than you get back on a tax return, then there is no share for you nor do you deserve a share.
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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You have a federal income tax liability? or are you talking the tax you pay on your McMuffin? LOL.

If you don't actually pay more into federal income taxes than you get back on a tax return, then there is no share for you nor do you deserve a share.
Then why should the farmers get my money?
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Old 10-14-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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Then why should the farmers get my money?
Again, do you have a federal income tax liability? If not, the farmers aren't getting your money, genius.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Are Canadian workers forced to pay other people’s living expenses, healthcare, childcare and education?
That is not the definition of slavery.

Any civilized country has taxes. How do you think part of the infrastructure that makes internet possible is paid?

How did you get to the grocery store if not by a publicly paid for road?

Do you feel like a slave because other people have helped to pay for that road?

Your premise is ridiculous.

The problem is that you seem unable to understand common good. Do you feel the same way about your taxes going to the military?

Canadian workers by the way, overall have better protections than American workers. Better mandated holiday, maternity/paternity leave, laws regarding severance pay, and no such thing as ' right to work " jurisdictions, which is a cover for no rights.

Workers in Canada do not fear healthcare costs. That alone, make us freer, if you want to go the slavery route.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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That is not the definition of slavery.

Any civilized country has taxes. How do you think part of the infrastructure that makes internet possible is paid?

How did you get to the grocery store if not by a publicly paid for road?

Do you feel like a slave because other people have helped to pay for that road?

Your premise is ridiculous.

The problem is that you seem unable to understand common good. Do you feel the same way about your taxes going to the military?

Canadian workers by the way, overall have better protections than American workers. Better mandated holiday, maternity/paternity leave, laws regarding severance pay, and no such thing as ' right to work " jurisdictions, which is a cover for no rights.

Workers in Canada do not fear healthcare costs. That alone, make us freer, if you want to go the slavery route.
Are they forced to pay for other people’s expenses? A simple yes or no would suffice.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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Again, do you have a federal income tax liability? If not, the farmers aren't getting your money, genius.
I pay federal income tax. And your point is?
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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That is not the definition of slavery.

Any civilized country has taxes. How do you think part of the infrastructure that makes internet possible is paid?

How did you get to the grocery store if not by a publicly paid for road?

Do you feel like a slave because other people have helped to pay for that road?

Your premise is ridiculous.

The problem is that you seem unable to understand common good. Do you feel the same way about your taxes going to the military?

Canadian workers by the way, overall have better protections than American workers. Better mandated holiday, maternity/paternity leave, laws regarding severance pay, and no such thing as ' right to work " jurisdictions, which is a cover for no rights.

Workers in Canada do not fear healthcare costs. That alone, make us freer, if you want to go the slavery route.
Yes every civilization needs taxes but some taxes like income, property or estate taxes are pure evil.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:08 PM
 
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How does capitalism profit from feeding poor people as well as medical care for them?
Capitalism is an economic system, not a sociological cure.

Charity feeds the poor and provides their care. Abundance and excess creates a population that has both time and material to give to charity. Socialism does not create abundance or excess, but attempts to use state control of property to rewrite how scarce resources are distributed among a specific population. It does not concern itself with production so much as distribution and since the non-productive are as equally comfortable as their productive peers, it quickly becomes apparent that being productive is a sucker's bet, and non-productive increases, which further diminishes abundance and excess, thereby relegating the population more towards survival.

Which economic system has created the most abundance and excess in human history? Hint - it is not any forced collective or state ownership of property and the means of production.

The "profit" to charity in a free market system is the individual, according to their own rational self-interests and voluntary association, choosing to be charitable and satisfying some personal need/desire by doing so. Example - I have some amount of abundance/excess. A portion of that I give to St. Judes and have for the last 34 years. I receive a sense of personal satisfaction from that. That is my "profit." I give ~$100 per year to homeless pets. I receive a sense of personal satisfaction from that. That is my "profit." I give enough to my church to cover the next 15 families in our parish. I receive a sense of personal satisfaction from that. That is my "profit." I help my mother-in-law with medical and auto expenses. I receive a sense of personal satisfaction from that. That is my "profit."
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Are they forced to pay for other people’s expenses? A simple yes or no would suffice.

That wasn't your question.

You called it slavery.

However since you are asking the question now, and my god, it must be rhetorical, is that I pay into taxes and receive services like any other taxpayer. Everyone understands that.

I get the impression that you actually believe posing the question as " a simple yes or no would suffice " is a
"gotcha ". Again ridiculous. Your game is off.
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